Goldin Auctions - Card INDUSTRY thread...don't open if not interested -

[ejharrington]

Originally Posted by todeen

I have no problem with new collectors. The fear for me is new collectors realizing they collected poorly, lost staggering amounts of money, and then leaving the hobby. Modern cards have high risk. RCs of Griffey, Thomas, Pujols, Ichiro, etc etc all tanked as they continued to age. Jeter and Trout are anomalies, and I don't think new collectors know that. It's a supply and demand thing. Acuna, Harper, Springer, etc etc will all fall in price eventually. If new investors enter the market for the wrong reasons, to make a quick dollar, than we are sitting on a bubble. I want every new collector to stay, but that is highly doubtful.

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I don’t know about the others but Ichiro rookie prices are going through the roof. It’s amazing.

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by ejharrington

I don’t know about the others but Ichiro rookie prices are going through the roof. It’s amazing.

The others are rebounding as well. Griffey Jr. insert cards are on fire.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

The others are rebounding as well. Griffey Jr. insert cards are on fire.

My concern isn't about rebounding, it's about the time spent at the bottom of the U-curve. Many of the investments today are about quick turnover. People are looking at the current card market to day trade. It's a very different atmosphere than 2002 - 2018 when Griffey's RC was at the bottom of the U-curve (after he continued to get hurt in Cincinnati....sigh...such high hopes in those first two years). I've never stopped collecting since I bought my first pack in 1991, but I also don't collect to make money. I collect for my personal enjoyment.

[Directly]

After one year and 2019-20 Prizm basketball retail sealed boxes fall to $50--please let me know--1989 upper deck foil packs boxes selling at $450 plus. Who would have thought we would see such a resurgence in sport card boxes.

[chalupacollects]

So now with all this attention and money flowing in, can we expect the card companies to start cranking up the presses to the junk days or even higher with more new hit or miss products or do they stay static with lower print runs, higher prices and more manufactured rarity?

[vintagewhitesox]

Originally Posted by chalupacollects

So now with all this attention and money flowing in, can we expect the card companies to start cranking up the presses to the junk days or even higher with more new hit or miss products or do they stay static with lower print runs, higher prices and more manufactured rarity?

they should churn out a ton of the modern basketball and baseball. just make so much of it that you cant justify a $1200 box of donruss basketball.

The modern market however, is catching up to the vintage. people who were teenagers in the 90s, and chased the popular inserts of the day (legacy, PMG, die cuts, of MJ, Griffey, ) now have disposable income to finally buy those cards. Whether the rarity is "manufactured" or not, the cards themselves are rare and command a premium.
obviously this is not the message board for this discussion ,as we all here have a significant interest in vintage. But 90s cards, at least those of Griffey, jordan, kobe, are here to stay.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by vintagewhitesox

The modern market however, is catching up to the vintage. people who were teenagers in the 90s, and chased the popular inserts of the day (legacy, PMG, die cuts, of MJ, Griffey, ) now have disposable income to finally buy those cards. Whether the rarity is "manufactured" or not, the cards themselves are rare and command a premium.
obviously this is not the message board for this discussion ,as we all here have a significant interest in vintage. But 90s cards, at least those of Griffey, jordan, kobe, are here to stay.

I agree. I've been collecting cards of the mid to late 1990s for years now, not because I have warm fuzzies of them as a kid but because I like the designs and the players. There were quite a few really spectacular insert sets and quite a few numbered SSP parallel sets. Take the 1996 Topps Gallery Players Private Issue as an example. Per Baseballcardpedia:

"All 180 base cards are available in a Player's Private Issue parallel, which is serial-numbered to 999 copies. Although these cards are numbered to 999, only 599 exist. The first 100 serial-numbered cards were set aside and given to each player as a gift from Topps. The next 499 cards (cards 101-599) were randomly inserted in packs. At the end of the 1996 season, Topps issued a press release where they said, that due to disappointing sales, they destroyed the final 400 sets."

Now, I don't believe that last part is true because I've seen cards numbered into the 900s--undoubtedly back-doored at the factory instead of being destroyed--but even so, the print run was under 1,000 and people have started to chase the biggest names and run up the price.

Maybe not to the taste of the majority here but no less a real thing than any other form of collecting. It is ignorant to simply write off the era as 'shiny crap' or 'junk wax', but if you do and you happen to come across accumulations of these cards, please mail them to me.