Hitler cards graded by PSA

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

Are those not facts about their lives? It's the name of a school. Nobody changed their biographies.

I don't see your point honestly. Yes, it's obviously a highly symbolic gesture, but one I happen to believe does not speak well of our judgment or priorities.

[packs]

My point is changing the name of a school in no way changes history. It changes the name of a school.

Also, any good historian interprets history. History is not a fact on a piece of paper. Unless that's all you want it to be.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

My point is changing the name of a school in no way changes history. It changes the name of a school.

Also, any good historian interprets history. History is not a fact on a piece of paper. Unless that's all you want it to be.

I think your tautological argument overlooks the importance of symbolism and the value judgments involved in naming institutions. Indeed, that's why these things (some of which I do agree with) are being done.

If a school bans certain books, the books still exist, would that be your response?

[packs]

Of course that's my response. Who's knowledge is solely limited to what they learned in high school?

[Peter_Spaeth]

incidentally, I was reading about a movement to no longer teach "the Classics" such as Homer in college because they are racist. Presented without comment.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

incidentally, I was reading about a movement to no longer teach "the Classics" such as Homer in college because they are racist. Presented without comment.

Apparently winning the Super Bowl during Black History Month is racist too. Who knew? Maybe we could move it back to January like it used to be so it won't be as racist?

Here's the problem with renaming schools (or other buildings), changing team names/logos, removing statues, etc. There are certain people that no matter what you do, they will never be satisfied. In their minds they will always be oppressed and always be the victims no matter what. So why even bother?

Here are just 4 of many tweets. And yes, they are real, before anyone says otherwise.

[Peter_Spaeth]

As the phrase goes, there is a lot of virtue signaling these days that masquerades as change.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Apparently winning the Super Bowl during Black History Month is racist too. Who knew? Maybe we could move it back to January like it used to be so it won't be as racist?

Here's the problem with renaming schools (or other buildings), changing team names/logos, removing statues, etc. There are certain people that no matter what you do, they will never be satisfied. In their minds they will always be oppressed and always be the victims no matter what. So why even bother?

Here are just 4 of many tweets. And yes, they are real, before anyone says otherwise.

I don't know. All of those responses seems pretty tongue in cheek to me.


Also, the sentiment, "So why even bother?".........seems like an excuse to always keep the status quo......simply because a bunch of twitter twits on twitter, say things that could be construed in some way as "that's not enough".

For the record.........sure, grade whatever card, is considered a "card". I'll judge the subject, but not the card itself. I've had plenty of Hitler cards in various German Olympic sets throughout the years. Never had any graded, and never felt comfortable trying to squeeze extra bucks out of marketing them individually, so usually just passed them on in group lots.................but I'm not a fan of erasing history either. Whether it be taking away NCAA titles, or HR's from steroid users. If you keep it front and center, history and individuals will judge how they feel appropriate.

I'll certainly judge somebody who tells me, "yeah, I'm a big fan of that Hitler guy.....I collect everything I can get my hands on from him". Probably be my last conversation with that person.

That's my strong stance of the day, LOL. Hitler bad! Way worse then Marcus Garvey.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Here are just 4 of many tweets. And yes, they are real, before anyone says otherwise.

You realize those tweets are sarcasm, right?

[drcy]

Monuments are generally for the good things someone did, and often about something specific (Landing on the moon, winning the Super Bowl, inventing the laser).

Thomas Edison was rude etc, but the monuments to him aren't for his personality but his inventions.

Everyone-- everyone-- has less than attractive sides and dimensions. We're humans.

[drcy]

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