t202 Joe Jackson - Schaefer on First

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Webster

Reviving old thread - curiosity was peaked by item on BST. Was this ever explored more fully?

It does appear that the Panel Photo could be taken just before the Newspaper photo; the position of the sliding player in the panel looking like it would take him past the bag just a bit after completing the slide. Opinions?

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The stadiums are different.

[Webster]

It's possible that the stadiums are different, but it is difficult to tell from the images: the photos are taken from different angles (one has the pitcher in view, the other is angled much more toward left field), and the newspaper image is heavily cropped with frame and scroll drawn in along the edges.

[bn2cardz]

I think you would have to look at the full conversation to understand the case for/against this being Jackson on the Schaefer card:

https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...263#post818263

I started this thread in regards to that original thread because I couldn't find the image in that thread.

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

The original thread to me was the greatest thread that was ever on Net 54. Unbelievable research into the cards.!!!

[babeshoeless]

The photos and newspaper accounts are only part of the supporting evidence for both cards. IMHO, the smoking gun is Joe Jackson's unique right-ankle wrap. It was widely reported in contemporary sources that Jackson injured his ankle in spring training and multiple 1911 photos show Jackson wearing the white ankle wrap through at least the Addie Joss benefit game on July 24, 1911.

Collectively, the evidence supports Jackson appearing in the action photos of both the Tannehill/Lord and Milan/McBride T202 cards. Here is a quick summary:

Tannehill/Lord/Lord Catches His Man

• In-game photo: Chicago White Sox at Cleveland Naps, May 5, 1911
• Supporting evidence: Uniform, ears, stadium, right ankle wrap (Jackson’s ankle injury during 1911 spring training was widely reported in contemporary sources and the right ankle wrap he wore was photographed in 1911 Cleveland team photo and the Addie Joss benefit photo on July 24, 1911), newspaper photo and game summary, Cleveland Plain Dealer, May 6, 1911

Milan/McBride/Schaefer on First

• In-game photo: Washington Senators at Cleveland Naps, May 21, 1911
• Supporting Evidence: Uniform, ears, stadium, right ankle wrap (Jackson’s ankle injury during 1911 spring training was widely reported in contemporary sources and the right ankle wrap he wore was photographed in 1911 Cleveland team photo and the Addie Joss benefit photo on July 24, 1911); Jackson was the only Naps player with a stolen base, justifying photo of Jackson being aggressive baserunner and sliding back into first; related game accounts in Cleveland Plain Dealer, May 22, 1911

Links to photos showing Jackson's 1911 white ankle wrap:

1911 Cleveland Team Photo

https://www.christies.com/lot/lot-19...graph-6021685/

Detail of above: https://sabr.org/gamesproj/game/augu...wacky-contest/

Addie Joss Benefit Photo, July 24, 1911

http://www.blackbetsy.com/imagefarm/...orama-6500.jpg

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c.../a/704-19433.s

[robw1959]

I don't know. I'm trying to be open-minded about it, but I think I need more that an ankle wrap. The figure sliding back into first is just too short & stocky for me to believe it's Joe. I don't see any facial resemblance either.