Vintage Undervalued Roookies

[packs]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

Maybe one reason to pay more for Speaker or Collins over Lajoie is that they were better baseball players.

That's not how it works though. Otherwise Ten Million's Obak wouldn't be worth what it is. There needs to be an X factor for a card to take off that otherwise hasn't. I don't see a ton of interest coming Eddie Collins' way.

[mechanicalman]

Originally Posted by packs

That's not how it works though. Otherwise Ten Million's Obak wouldn't be worth what it is. There needs to be an X factor for a card to take off that otherwise hasn't. I don't see a ton of interest coming Eddie Collins' way.

Sorry, I don't know what system of valuation to which you're referring. The topic at hand is undervalued rookie cards; not the premium paid for cool mustaches, funny names, or beautiful sunsets.

[packs]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

Sorry, I don't know what system of valuation to which you're referring. The topic at hand is undervalued rookie cards; not the premium paid for cool mustaches, funny names, or beautiful sunsets.

Sure, but for something to be undervalued it has to be priced below the level the hobby generally views the player or card. So when someone says Ted Williams' rookie card is undervalued, it's because the hobby more or less loves Williams.

You're talking about Eddie Collins and Tris Speaker, who don't have that same status in the hobby. I think their cards are priced accordingly per the interest they have. So I'm wondering what you see. If you think they were better than people give them credit for, that's not how I interpreted the question about value. But is definitely fair to say. They were great players.

[jchcollins]

Feel free to disagree, but unless it's like the M101 Babe Ruth, I've never thought that some black and white cards have gotten their due simply because of that. Most if we are being honest simply aren't as attractive as color issues.

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

Feel free to disagree, but unless it's like the M101 Babe Ruth, I've never thought that some black and white cards have gotten their due simply because of that. Most if we are being honest simply aren't as attractive as color issues.

Agree with this. Wanted to buy Teddy Ballgame's RC so many times, but the card is so not attractive in b&w and just couldn't pull the trigger. His 54 Bowman is the card to own

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by ajjohnsonsoxfan

Agree with this. Wanted to buy Teddy Ballgame's RC so many times, but the card is so not attractive in b&w and just couldn't pull the trigger. His 54 Bowman is the card to own

I've always preferred this Ted Williams card over all others.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

I've always preferred this Ted Williams card over all others.

+1.IMO it's one of the most beautiful cards produced.

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

Feel free to disagree, but unless it's like the M101 Babe Ruth, I've never thought that some black and white cards have gotten their due simply because of that. Most if we are being honest simply aren't as attractive as color issues.

I feel like BW is one of the reasons the '47 Bond Bread Jackie Robinsons haven't seen the increases his Leaf has. However does seem his Bond Bread portrait and rounded corner rookies are picking up steam of late.

[Blunder19]

I would say the 51 bowman mantle is under valued as compared to the jump the 52topps counter part has recognized. I think the 51 bowman mantle rookie will be on its way up on the near future. $10k for a psa 1 type jump.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Blunder19

I would say the 51 bowman mantle is under valued as compared to the jump the 52topps counter part has recognized. I think the 51 bowman mantle rookie will be on its way up on the near future. $10k for a psa 1 type jump.

A PSA 1 51 Bowman Mantle just sold for over $11K in the last Clean Sweep Auction.

[vansaad]

Originally Posted by itjclarke

I feel like BW is one of the reasons the '47 Bond Bread Jackie Robinsons haven't seen the increases his Leaf has. However does seem his Bond Bread portrait and rounded corner rookies are picking up steam of late.

It's a bit of an unknown if the Bond Bread portraits are keeping up with the other Jackie iconic cards ('48 Leaf, '49 Bowman & '52 Topps), but my guess is that a mid to high grade example would bring record prices if brought to market right now. The total pop is 10-20% of those other cards, so there are much fewer sales comps over the last few months since prices exploded. Two PSA 6's sold in August 2020 for $15k and $19k, and another PSA 6 sold in January for $30k, so it had begun to take off like the others. The SGC 8.5 sold last August for $35k. A PSA 7 sold for $32k in early December. Based on the recent surge in prices for Jackie, I think anything higher than a PSA 5 would probably set a record now.