Hank Arron death was possibly covid 19 vaccine related

[megalimey]

Originally Posted by ibuysportsephemera

Absurd...the man was 86 years old and died of natural causes in his sleep. We all have to die of something....totally coincidental (IMO).

Jeff

more coincidental vaccine deaths
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid...acts-1.5888781

[packs]

One thing is certain; everyone who has ever died was previously breathing that day. And there is no evidence to suggest that breathing isn't what killed them.

[irv]

My BIL's mother, who was perfectly healthy on Friday and tested negative for covid died 4 days later after receiving the covid vaccination.

Read into what you will but these cases, that are rarely talked about, happen a lot more than one thinks.

Personally, I will not be signing up for the shot anytime soon. It was a rush through, witches brew at best, concoction that still hasn't been proven it actually does anything good for you nor protects you from anything.

Rage on all you want, these are just my thoughts and my personal opinions, but after actually witnessing what my BIL is currently going through, this is enough for me, thanks.

[ibuysportsephemera]

My wife and daughter are both pharmacists, my Uncle and a great friend are both Doctors. I am good friends with someone who has worked for Pfizer in the past. I am a volunteer FF and know a ton of Paramedics and EMS people that work in hospitals everyday. All have gotten (or will get) the vaccines without a thought. Many friends and family have had the first dose of both Moderna and Pfizer without incident (including my 83 year old parents and my wife and myself). I am not trying to convince anyone to get it but I am well aware of the long term problems of Covid patients and will take my chances with the Vaccine instead of getting Covid. Just my 2¢.

Jeff

[packs]

I've already received my first shot. My arm was sore for 3 days. I am alive and well. Would recommend. 10/10 experience for me.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by irv

My BIL's mother, who was perfectly healthy on Friday and tested negative for covid died 4 days later after receiving the covid vaccination.

Read into what you will but these cases, that are rarely talked about, happen a lot more than one thinks.

Personally, I will not be signing up for the shot anytime soon. It was a rush through, witches brew at best, concoction that still hasn't been proven it actually does anything good for you nor protects you from anything.

Rage on all you want, these are just my thoughts and my personal opinions, but after actually witnessing what my BIL is currently going through, this is enough for me, thanks.

I'm sorry for what your BIL went through. That must have been awful. As I've documented on this site months ago both my wifes parents died of the actual Covid, within 3 weeks of each other back in April/May.

It's not a hard choice for me when the time comes, but I understand if you have somebody who is really immune-compromised in your family, or even elderly, and you have pause about the vaccine.

In that case I would make sure everybody around them who is healthy get the vaccine, as soon as it's made available.

I wish these vaccines were 100%. They are not......but it's what we've got, and it's amazing we came as far as we did, as fast as we did with them, considering we've generally ignored this version of vaccine science until it was literally too late to avoid a catastrophe.

[ibuysportsephemera]

First....I am sorry for all who have lost love ones from this virus. Second...I know of at least 6 long haulers (from their late 20's to their mid 50's) suffering long term serious medical problems after having COVID that were 100% healthy before getting COVID.

Jeff

[D. Bergin]

Sadly, I knew the anti-vaxxers would jump on this the second I saw Hank had passed. Kennedy was a danger to our society long before Covid roared it's ugly head. Him and his kind were responsible for measles outbreaks all across our country, that we thought we had wiped out years ago.........now it's magnified even more then it already was.

Also aware of the Norwegian report, which is an unfortunate reminder that our elderly are compromised no matter which way you slice it.

Ironically, a lot of the people pointing these anecdotes out, are also the same ones who keep changing the goal posts on what they think should be acceptable

1st it was Covid was a hoax, concocted specifically to make a certain politician look bad.

2nd it was Covid is no different then the flu. Kills old people and sick people who were already going to die anyways. What's the biggie? Wake me up when 50,000 or more people actually die of this thing.

3rd it became, might as well be Covid. Hide the old people and sick people away if you don't want them to die, but don't make me do anything as unconstitutional as wear a mask, or not hug my grandmama completely unprotected at the families 4th of July picnic. As a matter of fact, I might even throw a Covid party. Really strengthen my immune system up. I'm not a big fan of grandmama anyways. Herd immunity Baby!!!!



Lastly, here's a sobering snapshot of the up to date CDC page, with the 7 day rolling averages of the death rate from Covid.

Please tap me on the shoulder when the death rate from the Covid vaccine, approaches the death rate from the actual Covid.

[irv]

Anit-vaxxers. LOL.

I assume all these doctor's and nurses are as well?

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...vaccine-access
https://www.dw.com/en/covid-why-some...ted/a-56162735
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybe...h=cac3a2e3c962
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...health-workers
https://www.contagionlive.com/view/s...vid-19-vaccine

You forgot a few morel buzzwords, Dave, that Liberals like to use when someone doesn't agree with their viewpoint or position.
Xenophobe, racist, conspiracy theorists, tin hat wearers, and a whole host of others. You keep on doing you and I will me but when one has to start calling someone names based on their personal opinions or views, then they lose all credibility with me.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by irv

Anit-vaxxers. LOL.

I assume all these doctor's and nurses are as well?

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...vaccine-access
https://www.dw.com/en/covid-why-some...ted/a-56162735
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybe...h=cac3a2e3c962
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...health-workers
https://www.contagionlive.com/view/s...vid-19-vaccine

You forgot a few morel buzzwords, Dave, that Liberals like to use when someone doesn't agree with their viewpoint or position.
Xenophobe, racist, conspiracy theorists, tin hat wearers, and a whole host of others. You keep on doing you and I will me but when one has to start calling someone names based on their personal opinions or views, then they lose all credibility with me.

I wasn't speaking to anybody particular on this site, unless you are implying that an anti-vaxxer is something that does not exist in society. I was mostly referring to the Kennedy clan member, who's article has been used to start this thread, and has a long history of being an "anti-vaxxer", to the detriment of our society.

Oh, and the use of "buzzwords" is certainly not monopolized by one side or another. The liberal use of the term "Liberal", as if it's some sort of a swear word, is one example.

[irv]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

I wasn't speaking to anybody particular on this site, unless you are implying that an anti-vaxxer is something that does not exist in society. I was mostly referring to the Kennedy clan member, who's article has been used to start this thread, and has a long history of being an "anti-vaxxer", to the detriment of our society.

Oh, and the use of "buzzwords" is certainly not monopolized by one side or another. The liberal use of the term "Liberal", as if it's some sort of a swear word, is one example.

My apologies, Dave. I assumed, since there were only 2 of us who seemed to have opposing views to yours and others here, when I read “These”, as in plural, I assumed I was ‘one” in your “anti-vaxxer” description.

The thing is, no one really knows if this might have contributed to Aaron’s death but many wrote that possibility off right away as a no way, not possible, he was 86, etc, without even giving the vaccine a second thought that it could possibly be a possibility.

From the beginning, we were told to take 2 weeks to flatten the curve, yet here we are 10+ months later and we are still no further ahead?

We were told masks don’t work to masks work a 100%, we were told covid lives on surfaces to no, covid doesn’t live on surfaces, the list of do's and don'ts goes on and on and they all eventually contradict themselves.

Many have asked why flu deaths are way down and we are told it’s because everyone is masking up, washing their hands, isolating, etc, but when the covid numbers go up, or don’t level off, we are told because everyone isn't washing their hands, masking up and isolating??? Which is it???

Also, with regards to flu deaths, why are so many other death numbers way down like heart attacks, cancer, diabetes and other comorbidity types of deaths? Did covid magically cure all those diseases??

Also, why is no one, or hardly anyone, talking about the increase in suicides, drug overdoses, child and spousal abuse cases that have all risen 30 to 40% during this? What are those death numbers?

The thing is, like I mentioned above, this vaccine was rushed through with no long term studies/tests on its effectiveness, its immediate or long term side affects. Nothing. The big companies, Pfizer, Maderna, etc, have all washed their hands of being liable, meaning they can’t be sued if someone dies or has a severe life changing reaction. That in itself should tell many people, or give cause for concern about getting this shot yet many will blindly and ignorantly get it without questioning anything.
Has any new info come out from those that have had the shots that they are now 100% protected/immune from getting it ever again? Why are those who have had the shots told to continue to isolate, to wear a mask, etc? Makes zero sense to me.

Likely, like most everyone, I am sick and tired of the same old back and forth, do this, don’t do that, isolate, wear a mask, wash your hands, let alone the fact thousands of small businesses are being shuttered yet it is OK to rub shoulders at places like Wal Mart and Costco that see far greater numbers of people gathered than any of these small establishments do. It makes zero sense!

Like I said above, and in a another post, with a 98% recovery rate, I will not be getting the shot, and that is my personal opinion and I’ll stick to that. For those that want to get the vaccine, fill your boots, I am not going to condemn you nor laugh at you for it. It’s just not for me is all, especially, even more so now, considering what happen to my BIL’s mother, and many other cases just like it, like possibly Hank Aaron's as well?
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/h...ine-death.html

"Healthy' South Florida doctor died 2 weeks after receiving COVID-19 vaccine"
https://local12.com/news/nation-worl...mi-beach-sinai
https://www.deccanherald.com/interna...ot-939742.html

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by irv

My apologies, Dave. I assumed, since there were only 2 of us who seemed to have opposing views to yours and others here, when I read “These”, as in plural, I assumed I was ‘one” in your “anti-vaxxer” description.

No worries. I didn't mean to come across as picking on anybody in particular. Just pointing out hurdles out there that don't help the perception of things out in the real world. I hadn't even read your response by the time I hashed out everything I had to say in my first post.

That's why I posted a follow-up shortly after, directly concerning your BIL's mom.

As to the rest of your post, you have lots of valid concerns, and lots of things that are easily explained from somebody far smarter then myself, so I'm not going to get in a back and forth, for both of our sanities.

Happy collecting and stay safe.

[packs]

I find skepticism healthy but the skepticism around the vaccine seems selective.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

So let me get this straight. A segment of the population thinks that the Covid-19 death numbers are inflated because anyone who had it, who dies, regardless of the cause, is counted as a Covid-19 death. But now if someone gets the vaccine and dies it was definitely the vaccine's fault. Do I have that straight?

[todeen]

Vaccines are not perfect, let us not forget. Even the tried and true ones are not 100% effective, and some shots even come with liability waivers that need to be signed. The COVID vaccine is no different. For a certain percent of the population, there will always be complications. When the rollout began, it was being reported in all countries that people with serious allergies were having more serious reactions to the vaccine than individuals with no allergies.

However, I have two relatives who both died from COVID 10 days after testing positive. My wife's uncle showed the dreaded pattern of recovery before crashing overnight and dying. And my great-aunt came down with COVID pneumonia and never got off 100% oxygen. She told the doctor to unplug the machines and she died 2 hours later.

As others have said, and I reiterate, we're danged if we do and danged if we don't. I will get the vaccine because for me the positives outweigh the negatives.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by irv

Anit-vaxxers. LOL.

I assume all these doctor's and nurses are as well?

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...vaccine-access
https://www.dw.com/en/covid-why-some...ted/a-56162735
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybe...h=cac3a2e3c962
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...health-workers
https://www.contagionlive.com/view/s...vid-19-vaccine

You forgot a few morel buzzwords, Dave, that Liberals like to use when someone doesn't agree with their viewpoint or position.
Xenophobe, racist, conspiracy theorists, tin hat wearers, and a whole host of others. You keep on doing you and I will me but when one has to start calling someone names based on their personal opinions or views, then they lose all credibility with me.

The 2 I highlighted are my favorite.

[irv]

And it just keeps getting better.

Positive test doesn't necessarily mean nurse has contracted illness, experts say


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...tion-1.5884463

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by irv

And it just keeps getting better.

Positive test doesn't necessarily mean nurse has contracted illness, experts say


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...tion-1.5884463

Irv, I'm not sure what your point is here. None of the vaccines have claimed to be 100% effective. We've had flu vaccines for decades, and as most people know, they are not near 100% effective.

This is not an all or nothing game, it's a probability game.

In sports terms, it's analytics.

It's not a magic pill, where you get two shots and then all your cares wash away, and all your dreams come true.

Nobody has sold it as such. In the scientific community, or in the MSM(buzzword trademarked).

[ibuysportsephemera]

So if I am following the thinking of some, the 20 million people who have received the vaccine so far are now only dying (let's say within 1 week of getting the vaccine) from the vaccine and nothing else. Uhhh, I don't think that that is how life works. And so far the adverse reactions are statistically very small.

BTW, I do believe that the vaccine could cause a bad reaction, even death to some folks...but that is true with any kind of medical treatment in my opinion. I'll still take my chances with the vaccine rather than getting Covid.

Jeff

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by packs

One thing is certain; everyone who has ever died was previously breathing that day. And there is no evidence to suggest that breathing isn't what killed them.

More so when they have comorbidities, or are elderly