Pennant materials

[Duluth Eskimo]

The Dolphins one did not come as part of that larger purchase, I am just venturing a somewhat educated guess.

[Hankphenom]

Two observations regarding Jason's great information and experience:

1) Many of the seemingly older pennants in Rob's Packers collection appear to be made of the thinner, stiffer, material like the one I showed--including one dated 1941 and one 25th anniversary (when was the 25th anniversary of the Packers?). That seems to go against the idea that you can confidently date pennants of that material to the late 50s and early 60s as many here have suggested.
http://feltfootball.com/green-bay-packers/

2) Two versions of the green Senators pennant were made from quite different materials, one of a fairly heavy cloth with thick paint and one of a thinner, stiffer material with thinner, almost "see-through" paint. This has been the subject of much discussion among Washington collectors over the years as to the origin of the thinner version and whether it might be some kind of repro.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Two observations regarding Jason's great information and experience:

1) Many of the seemingly older pennants in Rob's Packers collection appear to be made of the thinner, stiffer, material like the one I showed--including one dated 1941 and one 25th anniversary (when was the 25th anniversary of the Packers?). That seems to go against the idea that you can confidently date pennants of that material to the late 50s and early 60s as many here have suggested.
http://feltfootball.com/green-bay-packers/

If you search sold pennants on Ebay there's a nice big picture of the 1941 Packers pennant if you want to take a closer look. The 25th anniversary pennant I believe is from 1944 and is soft felt, as is the undated (ie...no 25th Anniversary notation) version of that same pennant...as are most of the other "older" pennants on my Packers page, except for a couple that are more of a cloth material.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Rob,
I don't believe i've seen your Packer pennant display when I previously looked at your site. That is an incredible display.

PS: Your Packer player photo pennant are really nice as well. You need the Lombardi shield design to finish it off.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

If you search sold pennants on Ebay there's a nice big picture of the 1941 Packers pennant if you want to take a closer look. The 25th anniversary pennant I believe is from 1944 and is soft felt, as is the undated (ie...no 25th Anniversary notation) version of that same pennant...as are most of the other "older" pennants on my Packers page, except for a couple that are more of a cloth material.

I'm in no position to dispute you, Rob, since you can feel these pennants and I can't, but the picture of that 1941 pennant sure makes it look more like the stiffer material than a softer one, with what look like permanent and well-defined creases similar to what my eyes seem to see on many of your earlier pennants. So I'll finish with one last question and then bow out of this discussion, which has been interesting and informational but really has gotten me no closer to my original question, and perhaps there is no answer to be found given a lack of much definitive documentation of what pennants were made when and out of what materials. My question is: what would you guess would be the earliest that these stiffer pennants (cloth, paper--what ARE they made of, anyway?) were made from your knowledge of pennants that are dated or whose date of manufacture can be reasonably guessed at? And thanks to you and everyone else on the board for weighing in with their expertise on the subject, it's been fun.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-1941-G...p2047675.l2557

[ooo-ribay]

I don’t think the Packers pennant looks like the stiff crap. I do think older felt or wool pennants can “harden” over time. I think some early pennants were a mixture of Rayon(?) and “natural” fibers.

IMO, the 100% synthetic, stiff pennants weren’t produced before the mid-60s. Some would date them earlier, but not me.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I don’t think the Packers pennant looks like the stiff crap. I do think older felt or wool pennants can “harden” over time. I think some early pennants were a mixture of Rayon(?) and “natural” fibers.

IMO, the 100% synthetic, stiff pennants weren’t produced before the mid-60s. Some would date them earlier, but not me.

I would say 1967-68 was the very first timeline for the stiff synthetic ones.

There was perhaps 5 years of overlap, in which felt, cloth and synthetic were all used. Felt and cloth pennants steadily diminished over this span, and following 1973, the only pennants being made were cheap synthetic garbage.

[thetahat]

Hank, this is a recent pickup of mine, this sheds some light on things I think. (I guess you may have seen pics elsewhere, I’ve never seen the 1960 phantom version before.)

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Hank, this is a recent pickup of mine, this sheds some light on things I think. (I guess you may have seen pics elsewhere, I’ve never seen the 1960 phantom version before.)

Thanks, Greg. Great pennant, I think I remember that Rob has a 1960 version like that. Not sure that helps date mine, though, as that image could have been recycled from an earlier pennant. It is informative that pennant artists liked to use earlier uniforms because of the absence of a face mask, that makes all kinds of sense and pretty much eliminates the possibility of dating football pennants by the equipment pictured on the pennant, which is much more likely with baseball pennants, it would seem.