Pennant materials

[Duluth Eskimo]

Depending on the make up of the pennant and material I generally classify this pennant as early as late 40’s to 1950’s. It is true that some makers used these generic designs up in to the 60’s and even the 70’s if you can believe that, but for the Packers in particular they had many “newer” designs that capitalized on the Lombardi era Packers and their NFL championships. I would say your pennant based on the material is a classic 50’s example without being able to handle it and examine it closely. Jason

[Domer05]

This pennant was indeed made by Advertising Flag Co. of Chicago, IL, a.k.a., ADFLAG. Additionally, it was made ca. 1960, as this maker also made a 1960-dated "WORLD CHAMPIONS" variant featuring this same artwork. Toward the middle and end of the 1960s, they made other Packers pennants; including some referencing their Super Bowl wins.

Here's a link to my post on ADFLAG if you crave more info on them:

https://pennantfever.weebly.com/blog...tising-flag-co

There's a pennant library at the back end of this post that features a dozen or so NFL and AFL pennants by ADFLAG made during the 1950s and 60s, including the above described pennant.

It's a cool pennant, nice pick-up!

[Duluth Eskimo]

This style was used prior to 1960 as well

[thetahat]

Best way to tell is by the texture of the pennant and the print. If the felt is softer and thicker that suggests 1950s, also if the paint is heavy. Thinner felt that creases and print that is tougher to crack - 1960s. This looks to me like 1960 plus or minus a few.

[thetahat]

Ad Flag artists notoriously behind the times with their football scene graphics ... this must be, what, 1974 at earliest?

[Hankphenom]

Wow, thanks for all the info, guys, this forum is amazing! So, to summarize: this pennant could have been made as early as the 1940s, but most likely c. 1960, as the World Champions use of the same graphics would suggest? And these aren't repros of earlier versions, the Ad Flag Co. artists just liked using antique graphics on their modern pennants? Anyone have a guess on a range of dates during which this stiffer kind of material was used, and what's the earliest it could have been? Lastly, here is a link to Rob's Felt Football forum Packers section, and it looks to me that many of the pennants he's tagging as 1930s and 40s are made of the same material as the one I bought. He has such an amazing collection, it's hard to believe he wouldn't have a good idea of the dates of issue of just about everything in his collection. Thanks again for the help.

http://feltfootball.com/green-bay-packers/

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Wow, thanks for all the info, guys, this forum is amazing! So, to summarize: this pennant could have been made as early as the 1940s, but most likely c. 1960, as the World Champions use of the same graphics would suggest? And these aren't repros of earlier versions, the Ad Flag Co. artists just liked using antique graphics on their modern pennants? Anyone have a guess on a range of dates during which this stiffer kind of material was used, and what's the earliest it could have been? Lastly, here is a link to Rob's Felt Football forum Packers section, and it looks to me that many of the pennants he's tagging as 1930s and 40s are made of the same material as the one I bought. He has such an amazing collection, it's hard to believe he wouldn't have a good idea of the dates of issue of just about everything in his collection. Thanks again for the help.

http://feltfootball.com/green-bay-packers/

Hi Hank...This comment couldn't be further from the truth. There are many, many, many pennants that can only be guessed at in terms of age. When I started my site, there was virtually no pennant reference material available. This was essentially why I created the site. I wanted to document detail as I discovered it. In fact the only existing reference material was Egner's pennant price guide, which was very thin on football pennants (and which identifies this pennant as 1940s just as in FYI).

Since I created the site, Kyle has shed an enormous amount of light on the various producers of pennants which helps us narrow dates down, but in many instances, it's still just an educated guess. Unless a pennant is dated, you can't really identify a "date of issue". I'm certain there are other pennants on my site that need their era adjusted based on the knowledge that has come out in just the last couple of years thanks to Kyle and others here in the pennant forum.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

So, to summarize: this pennant could have been made as early as the 1940s, but most likely c. 1960, as the World Champions use of the same graphics would suggest?
http://feltfootball.com/green-bay-packers/

The first half of your summary would be true. The second half would be false. Because a particular graphic was used in the 60s or even the 70s, does not mean it wasn't also used in the 40s or 50s.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Ad Flag artists notoriously behind the times with their football scene graphics ... this must be, what, 1974 at earliest?

This Steelers pennants was the example I was referring to. I have also had Packer pennants that were for sure late 60’s based on material and make up that were using long outdated artwork. The Steelers is probably the most ridiculous example of this.