Durham, NC T206 find

[ullmandds]

nice! any brown old mills?????

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

nice! any brown old mills?????

Looks like one in the last photo, and two early on from the Southern Leagues.

Edit: Cards look to have brown backs, but that doesn't mean they're what you're talking about.

[swarmee]

The autograph looks like "John W.", so either Honus Wagner or the original owner... ;-)

Oddities:
Devlin has a miscut back and centered front.
Birmingham has a double-printed blue back, or had extra ink applied during printing. Same as a Ferris and Ganley (unless the Ganley is writing).
Cross 350 back either has two blue ink spots or print defects.
Dooin has a nice plate scratch on back.
Magee on bottom right of picture has a name at top.
Both Lindaman cards have a recurring print defect in the '0' of 150.
A couple were owned by S.S. and B.W.K.

Are you going to grade the better conditioned ones and Hall of Famers? Maybe bobby will run another one for the board if you ask him nicely... or you could submit at a $499 max value with a submitter like PC Sportscards (jewcer2k5 on Blowout) to get access to the $25 service level that PSA is only allowing for registered corporate bulk submitters. You can go through PSA's pop reports that are broken down by back and see if any of yours are "rarities" or "low pops" that would sell much better with less than 5 annotated so far in PSA holders with that specific back advertiser and factory number.

[swarmee]

I'll work on a PSA Pop Report for you:
T210 Taxis: Pop 1, Highest is PSA 2 --- this would be one to grade and would take the TOP POP, even though most collectors don't collect this set graded. New blood in the market is addicted to TOP POP.
T207 Daniels: Pop 53, Highest is PSA 6

Piedmont 150: No rarities on PSA pop report
Piedmont 350: King, La Porte, Maloney, McBride, Milan, Pickering, Quillen = no rarities
Old Mill: King, Kiernan, Manion, Mullaney (ALT), Paige, Revelle, Westlake = no rarities

[Pat R]

There are several Piedmont 150 plate scratches (9) but no new examples.

Abbaticchio
Ball (two different)
Dooin
Doyle
Konetchy
Oldring (this is the Oldring scratch that also has a corner crop on the back)
Shipke (two different)

also there are no brown Old Mills they're all regular SL Old Mills.

Here are a couple of examples of the Oldring scratch with the corner crop mark

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[Rhotchkiss]

Mike, I sent you a message re some of your Southern League Old Mills

I have been staring at the Westlake and King because from the scans, the backs look like they could brown. However, scans can be deceiving and lightened old mills can often look brown via scan; they are best seen in person and, at least, need to be placed side by side with a regular SL OM back. Nevertheless, I think neither the Westlake nor King are brown old mills and here is why: First, they are both unconfirmed combos. I am not saying the combo can’t exist - I acquired a previously unconfirmed Violat Brown old mill - but it does make it less likely. Second, brown old mills are scrap; they are hand cut and were not placed in cigarette packs. Staring at the front and backs of both cards, neither appears hand cut. But more importantly, how would this owner, who we think assembled these many years ago and put them away, would have gotten his/her hands on a scrap card? Third, and most determinative (as Sonny points out below), neither come with a brown hindu back.

Regardless of whether any of these cards are brown old mills, it is an amazing find and really cool that things like this still exist. Congrats!

[stutor]

Westlake and King would not be possible in brown OM as they are part of the 14 card SL group that was not printed with Hindu. It is my understanding that only the 34 SLers printed with Hindu backs are possible with brown OM. Maybe I am mistaken

[Kevin]

Oh my. I think my goal for 2021 is:

Napoleon Lajoie - T206

Increase from 169 to 200+

What a wonderful find, my friend.