2021 HOF Ballot

[ronniehatesjazz]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

My Ballot is two.

1. Bill "Bad Bill" Dahlen
2. William "Dummy" Hoy

Yes on both of them! Particularly Hoy... a 5'6 (or 5'4?) deaf man who amassed over 2,000 career hits despite not playing a game until he was 26 is a story more people need to be aware of.

[G1911]

Dahlen is one of the best players not in, I would vote for him, but I don't see the statistical argument for Hoy. 110 OPS+, 32.6 WAR, .288/.388/.376 slash as a Center Fielder. Old stats or new, nothing seems to put him into the HOF tier looking at his figures. Seems like he's generally ranked correctly, very good player outside the hall.

[bbcard1]

Originally Posted by G1911

Dahlen is one of the best players not in, I would vote for him.

While understanding that's a lot of haters, I like using WAR as my quick "should we talk about this guy anymore" indicator, especially on batters...around 50 is where you can start talking about it. Dahlen is clearly in the conversation using that metric. Here's what troubles me about him. A lot of his biggest stats were accumulated in the pre-1900 days and the game was different then. He only led his league in one meaningful statistic (RBI with 80) and that only once. His WAR tips me toward him, but I would have thought he would have gone in when the Tinkers and Bresnahans were chosen ... but things in the hall are not easy to figure. Schilling should have been in long ago.