2021 HOF Ballot

[mattsey9]

My ballot would be the below 10 names. I make no apologies for being a Big Hall advocate...

Roger Clemens
Barry Bonds
Scott Rolen
Gary Sheffield
Todd Helton
Manny Ramírez
Andruw Jones
Sammy Sosa

Mark Buehrle


Write-in: Kenny Lofton

[iwantitiwinit]

Nick Swisher is a lock!!!

[G1911]

Originally Posted by mattsey9

My ballot would be the below 10 names. I make no apologies for being a Big Hall advocate...

Roger Clemens
Barry Bonds
Scott Rolen
Gary Sheffield
Todd Helton
Manny Ramírez
Andruw Jones
Sammy Sosa

Mark Buehrle


Write-in: Kenny Lofton

Buehrle over Schilling?

[terjung]

Schilling, yes
Dahlen, yes

all others no.

I loved watching Vizquel play and thought he was a magician at times, but I have never viewed him as a HOFer.

[mattsey9]

Originally Posted by G1911

Buehrle over Schilling?

Yes.

[Casey2296]

My Ballot is two.

1. Bill "Bad Bill" Dahlen
2. William "Dummy" Hoy

[ronniehatesjazz]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

My Ballot is two.

1. Bill "Bad Bill" Dahlen
2. William "Dummy" Hoy

Yes on both of them! Particularly Hoy... a 5'6 (or 5'4?) deaf man who amassed over 2,000 career hits despite not playing a game until he was 26 is a story more people need to be aware of.

[G1911]

Dahlen is one of the best players not in, I would vote for him, but I don't see the statistical argument for Hoy. 110 OPS+, 32.6 WAR, .288/.388/.376 slash as a Center Fielder. Old stats or new, nothing seems to put him into the HOF tier looking at his figures. Seems like he's generally ranked correctly, very good player outside the hall.

[bbcard1]

Originally Posted by G1911

Dahlen is one of the best players not in, I would vote for him.

While understanding that's a lot of haters, I like using WAR as my quick "should we talk about this guy anymore" indicator, especially on batters...around 50 is where you can start talking about it. Dahlen is clearly in the conversation using that metric. Here's what troubles me about him. A lot of his biggest stats were accumulated in the pre-1900 days and the game was different then. He only led his league in one meaningful statistic (RBI with 80) and that only once. His WAR tips me toward him, but I would have thought he would have gone in when the Tinkers and Bresnahans were chosen ... but things in the hall are not easy to figure. Schilling should have been in long ago.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by mattsey9

Yes.

Hard to see that in the math.

[Bcwcardz]

Originally Posted by G1911

Hard to see that in the math.

Cause it’s not there, Buehrle never once won 20 games nor had an era below 3. If someone is picking him over Schilling then it’s personal, not numbers based.


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[shagrotn77]

Schilling will be the only player elected in 2021. That much I'm certain of. Bonds and Clemens will likely climb a percentage point or 2, like they've done in recent years, but that won't be enough to get them elected. Will they get in in 2022 in their final year on the modern ballot? Not likely, but it will be interesting with Big Papi and Arod on the ballot for the first time. Will some PED players be treated differently than others by the voters? We shall see.

I do think that the charges of domestic violence against Vizquel may hurt him in the voting. He wasn't getting in in 2021 anyway, but now his chances at induction are murky. He had been on a steady climb.

Speaking of steady climbs, Rolen should take a very deserved nice leap forward next year. He went from 17% in 2019 to 35% in 2020. He was Nolan Arenado before Nolan Arenado. Great hitter and generational talent in the field. Let's get this man in the HOF!

Billy Wagner is another player I'm pulling for. He went from 16% in 2019 to 31% in 2020. Again, absolutely deserving. There are less dominant closers already enshrined in Cooperstown.

Lastly, Jeff Kent by all accounts was/is an absolute jerk. And there may be some PED suspicion there. But, from a statistical standpoint, he's beyond deserving of a spot in Cooperstown. He holds the all-time mark for HR by a 2B, had eight 100+ RBI seasons, won an MVP, and finished with a lifetime .290 BA. Outstanding stats for a traditionally weak position.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Jeff Kent always felt to me like a player who wasn't as good as his counting numbers. An unscientific observation for sure. But I think a lot of people feel that way, he isn't getting in I don't think.