My T206 Plank theory....New Follow-up info

[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Howard

This thread regarding my original Plank Theory is 14 years old. Since then, I have revised my theory based on more research regarding Plank.

Furthermore, this response of Connie Mack to a Philadelphia sports writer in 1910 clues us in....... " The secret of Plank's pitching is no secret
at all. It is a good strong arm, a powerful constitution to back it, and neither drinks, smokes, chews tobacco, nor swears...... " **

Eddie Plank was certainly an anti-tobacco guy. Most likely, he informed the American Tobacco Co. that he did not want his image portrayed on
Tobacco cards. Being the low-keyed guy that he was, he did not hype it up like Wagner did. Therefore, American Litho. stopped issuing Plank.

**..... Connie Mack, by Norman Macht


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TED Z

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Sometimes the explanations that are simplest and right under our noses are easiest to overlook. What Ted is saying here sure makes a lot of sense to me. And it offers a rational explanation why the Plank card appears in both the 150 and 350 series.

Ted, any thoughts if what you are saying is correct might account for the color tones of the 150 series Planks being more vibrant than the 350 series?

I do not profess to be a T206 expert so do not know if such difference in color vibrancy is typical with other T206 subjects or is limited to the Plank. Is it? If so, one would think it has something to do with the discontinuance of the card.

[sb1]

Every 150 series card has better color and a somewhat sharper look due to the stones being new. As they moved into the 350 series they wore down a bit, also the 350 series had a much larger print run and they probably didn't ink them as often as the 150 series.

[Rhotchkiss]

Very few Plank tobacco cards exist. I believe t206, t204, and t216 are the only T cards that Plank is on. Wagner is similarly rare, but worse as he has no t204. Anytime you can get plank (or wagner) on a tobacco card, grab it!

[Pat R]

It was sportswriters that were paid to get the permission of the ballplayers for the tobacco company's to use their pictures. I think his refusal is the best explanation ,for the rarity of Planks t206 card and lack of inclusion in most tobacco cards but I haven't been able to find anything that mentions it from that time period but I have found proof that Wagner refused to let them use his image.

from an Oct. 28 1912 newspaper

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from an Dec. 24 1912 newspaper

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[hcv123]

Originally Posted by Pat R

It was sportswriters that were paid to get the permission of the ballplayers for the tobacco company's to use their pictures. I think his refusal is the best explanation ,for the rarity of Planks t206 card and lack of inclusion in most tobacco cards but I haven't been able to find anything that mentions it from that time period but I have found proof that Wagner refused to let them use his image.

from an Oct. 28 1912 newspaper

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from an Dec. 24 1912 newspaper

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Thanks for sharing those. I don't believe I've ever seen or heard of them before.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by benjulmag

Sometimes the explanations that are simplest and right under our noses are easiest to overlook. What Ted is saying here sure makes a lot of sense to me. And it offers a rational explanation why the Plank card appears in both the 150 and 350 series.

Ted, any thoughts if what you are saying is correct might account for the color tones of the 150 series Planks being more vibrant than the 350 series?

I do not profess to be a T206 expert so do not know if such difference in color vibrancy is typical with other T206 subjects or is limited to the Plank. Is it? If so, one would think it has something to do with the discontinuance of the card.

Hi Corey....it's been quite a while since we have last spoken....great hearing from you.

My experience looking over 1000's of T206's these past 40 years is that PIEDMONT 150, SOVEREIGN 150 and SWEET CAPORAL 150 T206's are generally richer in color (especially blue)
than their T206 counterparts with SWEET CAPORAL 350 (Factory #30) backs

For example......

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Regarding ink colors, what has mystified me more so is why the 150 Series ** cards are lacking the rich dark BLUE color seen on numerous subjects in the 350 Series
and 460 Series subjects....such as:


150 Series................................... 350 Series.................................. 460 Series
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**....Note Waddell (portrait) is the only 150 Series subject printed with dark blue ink.



TED Z

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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Corey....it's been quite a while since we have last spoken....great hearing from you.

My experience looking over 1000's of T206's these past 40 years is that PIEDMONT 150, SOVEREIGN 150 and SWEET CAPORAL 150 T206's are generally richer in color (especially blue)
than their T206 counterparts with SWEET CAPORAL 350 (Factory #30) backs

For example......

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Regarding ink colors, what has mystified me more so is why the 150 Series ** cards are lacking the rich dark BLUE color seen on numerous subjects in the 350 Series
and 460 Series subjects....such as:


150 Series................................... 350 Series.................................. 460 Series
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**....Note Waddell (portrait) is the only 150 Series subject printed with dark blue ink.



TED Z

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Ted I don't know if some of it has to do with your scanner but the Crandall
Piedmont 150 you posted is an unusually darker blue.

Not to long ago I had 15 Crandall no caps including two with the same
exact plate scratch as yours (the one I have left is the last one one the right)
the blue does vary even in the same backs but yours is the darkest blue I've
seen.

Here are the eight I still have seven are piedmont 150's. Luke has a good description of the difference between some
of the 150 and 350 series when he describes the 350's as having a washed out look compared to the 150's.

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same plate scratch as yours
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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Ted I don't know if some of it has to do with your scanner but the Crandall
Piedmont 150 you posted is an unusually darker blue.

Pat

Here are my PIEDMONT 150 Crandall and my Plank on the same scan. This scan is "un-enhanced".

Without enhancement of this scan, my scanner shows SGC cards darker than they actually are.

And, since the Crandall was scanned along with the SGC card it comes out slightly lighter than it actually is.

And yes....the blue background of this Crandall card is unusually darker blue than most.





TED Z

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[slantycouch]

Hey Ted,

Can you please expand upon this?

Regarding ink colors, what has mystified me more so is why the 150 Series ** cards are lacking the rich dark BLUE color seen on numerous subjects in the 350 Series and 460 Series subjects...

Is your comment that it's odd they didn't layer colors to create a darker background on some, and did on others? Or am I misunderstanding your comment? Love this attention to detail and just want to understand your thought process.

These are both HA scans:

[tedzan]

slantycouch

Expanding on my comment in my prior post.....
there are 155 different subjects in the 150 Series, and the Waddell (portrait) is the only solid dark blue card in it.

There are 269 different subjects in the initial 350 Series of which 27 subjects are printed with solid dark blue ink.

And, the 460 Series includes 2 subjects printed with solid dark blue ink.

I'm not sure I have answered your question. If not, try me again.

My all-time favorite T206 is indeed a dark blue card.......




TED Z

T206 Reference
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