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[packs]

I disagree with your Exxon comparison. This isn't a matter of paying lip service. Unless you're suggesting the owner of the team is doing something nefarious he's covering up for with an announcement like he's changing the century old name of his baseball franchise.

The man explained why he did what he did. To refuse to accept the explanation and to act as though you (the royal you, not you specifically) know the "real" reasons is at odds with what is actually happening.

[Throttlesteer]

Originally Posted by packs

I disagree with your Exxon comparison. This isn't a matter of paying lip service. Unless you're suggesting the owner of the team is doing something nefarious he's covering up for with an announcement like he's changing the century old name of his baseball franchise.

The man explained why he did what he did. To refuse to accept the explanation and to act as though you (the royal you, not you specifically) know the "real" reasons is at odds with what is actually happening.

Sure, it wasn't a well-calculated business decision. The timing on the change simply was this owner's sudden realization that we had it all wrong for 100 years. Clearly this was out of the kindness of his heart and there was no business value in doing so. Got it. The Exxon comparison from the standpoint of how companies use PR is a fair one. Nobody suggested anything nefarious. Perhaps you feel all companies and government are altruistic and principled...well, unless they don't share your perspective of the world?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Throttlesteer

Sure, it wasn't a well-calculated business decision. The timing on the change simply was this owner's sudden realization that we had it all wrong for 100 years. Clearly this was out of the kindness of his heart and there was no business value in doing so. Got it. The Exxon comparison from the standpoint of how companies use PR is a fair one. Nobody suggested anything nefarious. Perhaps you feel all companies and government are altruistic and principled...well, unless they don't share your perspective of the world?

+ 1000000....anybody that disagrees hasn't been in business. We all know the answer is always MONEY (as well as it should be for a for profit business).

But saying he is righting a wrong for altruistic reasons is far fetched and inaccurate. imo.

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[sdimag]

Originally Posted by Leon

+ 1000000....anybody that disagrees hasn't been in business. We all know the answer is always MONEY (as well as it should be for a for profit business).

But saying he is righting a wrong for altruistic reasons is far fetched and inaccurate. imo.

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Exactly!

[triwak]

Why not consult with the leaders of the local area's prevalent Native American tribe, and if it's acceptable to them, use that tribe name as the mascot (ala the Florida Seminoles)? I thought the same thing should have been done in Washington. Seems like that would be respectful, while keeping an element of tradition. I think the "one-size-fits-all" terms are partly the reason Native Americans have a problem with such terms. They don't identify that way.

[Shoeless Moe]

I say they come up with 30 new nicknames, all politically correct, or what's politically correct for the time being, subject to change down the road of course.

Then there is a draft for the 30 names.

".....and the 30th pick in the MLB name draft the team formerly known as the Yankees will now be.......the Pigeons."

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

I say they come up with 30 new nicknames, all politically correct, or what's politically correct for the time being, subject to change down the road of course.

Then there is a draft for the 30 names.

".....and the 30th pick in the MLB name draft the team formerly known as the Yankees will now be.......the Pigeons."

Sounds about right. My favorite team before I could talk or even walk, was the Yankees. It would be just my luck that I gotta put a decal of a Pigeon on my car. People won't know if I'm a fan of the baseball team formally known as the Yankees, or if I'm a butcher. What's even more sad is that there's an actual probability of this actually happening.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by triwak

Why not consult with the leaders of the local area's prevalent Native American tribe, and if it's acceptable to them, use that tribe name as the mascot (ala the Florida Seminoles)? I thought the same thing should have been done in Washington. Seems like that would be respectful, while keeping an element of tradition.

Who's saying they didn't? Or, perhaps, the Cleveland owners didn't want to select one tribe over another?

[rats60]

Originally Posted by triwak

Why not consult with the leaders of the local area's prevalent Native American tribe, and if it's acceptable to them, use that tribe name as the mascot (ala the Florida Seminoles)? I thought the same thing should have been done in Washington. Seems like that would be respectful, while keeping an element of tradition. I think the "one-size-fits-all" terms are partly the reason Native Americans have a problem with such terms. They don't identify that way.

That is exactly what the owner did and why the team's name is changing. Also, the largest Seminole tribe opposes the use of their name.