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[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by rats60

Paul Dolan found enough that were offended by the name that he is changing his team's name.

A very vocal minority of morons seems to rule this weak and quite often embarrassing country.

[judsonhamlin]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

A very vocal minority of morons seems to rule this weak and quite often embarrassing country.

Yes, but only for a couple more weeks

[campyfan39]

Give me a break

Originally Posted by judsonhamlin

Yes, but only for a couple more weeks

[wondo]

Originally Posted by judsonhamlin

Yes, but only for a couple more weeks

Touche'

[campyfan39]

This IMO is why it matters. No one was being hurt or persecuted etc. because of the name. The posts (including mine) prove that this is a political issue and not really about right and wrong.
On Net54 we have a community that is unified around the hobby and sport we love and because this name change we are now sniping at each other, divided and name calling. I just don't see what changing the name accomplishes but I do see the division it causes

Originally Posted by wondo

Touche'

[t206fix]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

No one was being hurt or persecuted etc. because of the name. The posts (including mine) prove that this is a political issue and not really about right and wrong.

Wait, what?

[campyfan39]

TEDZAN

I deleted a long response because I saw your post! Thank you!
Awesome Campy variation even I don't have

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

This IMO is why it matters. No one was being hurt or persecuted etc. because of the name. The posts (including mine) prove that this is a political issue and not really about right and wrong.
On Net54 we have a community that is unified around the hobby and sport we love and because this name change we are now sniping at each other, divided and name calling. I just don't see what changing the name accomplishes but I do see the division it causes

Hey Campyfan39

166+ posts, and finally some one summarizes what REALLY matters here.

THANK YOU, Chris...... and, let's get back to "Talkin' BaseBall" cards.


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TED Z

T206 Reference
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[rats60]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

This IMO is why it matters. No one was being hurt or persecuted etc. because of the name. The posts (including mine) prove that this is a political issue and not really about right and wrong.
On Net54 we have a community that is unified around the hobby and sport we love and because this name change we are now sniping at each other, divided and name calling. I just don't see what changing the name accomplishes but I do see the division it causes

No, the owner of the Cleveland baseball team discussed cultural issues with Native American groups and decided to change his team's name. That has caused a group of people to be triggered over something that is none of their concern. There is nothing political about it. Like 99% of issues on the internet, 99% of people are closed minded and will not listen to others opinions. Also, this community isn't unified around the hobby, the same thing happens in hobby related threads.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by rats60

No, the owner of the Cleveland baseball team discussed cultural issues with Native American groups and decided to change his team's name. That has caused a group of people to be triggered over something that is none of their concern. There is nothing political about it. Like 99% of issues on the internet, 99% of people are closed minded and will not listen to others opinions. Also, this community isn't unified around the hobby, the same thing happens in hobby related threads.

IF you want to keep arguing put your name out here. I hate arguing with anonymous internet people. thanks

[Throttlesteer]

Originally Posted by Leon

IF you want to keep arguing put your name out here. I hate arguing with anonymous internet people. thanks

There is some irony to this, isn't there? Arguing about using someone's name without using your name.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

A very vocal minority of morons seems to rule this weak and quite often embarrassing country.

So they were morons who weren't allowed to own property? So they were morons who were denied employment? So they were morons who were denied government assistance? So they are morons because they won't be ok with being enslaved in poverty? So they are morons because they aren't ok with being mocked and demeaned? Being the majority doesn't give them the right to treat others as lesser humans.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by rats60

So they were morons who weren't allowed to own property? So they were morons who were denied employment? So they were morons who were denied government assistance? So they are morons because they won't be ok with being enslaved in poverty? So they are morons because they aren't ok with being mocked and demeaned? Being the majority doesn't give them the right to treat others as lesser humans.

Comparing the spoiled losers and insufferable complainers of today with people of the past that were ACTUALLY oppressed and greatly suffered is insulting to those poor, long-gone individuals.

[BCauley]

Today is National Chocolate Covered Anything Day.

FYSA.

[gawaintheknight]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

Comparing the spoiled losers and insufferable complainers of today with people of the past that were ACTUALLY oppressed and greatly suffered is insulting to those poor, long-gone individuals.

If you look at the statistics you will find that Native Americans are still greatly suffering.

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/raci...tive-americans

Yes, it's Teen Vogue, but the links will get you to legitimate sources.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by rats60

So they were morons who weren't allowed to own property? So they were morons who were denied employment? So they were morons who were denied government assistance? So they are morons because they won't be ok with being enslaved in poverty? So they are morons because they aren't ok with being mocked and demeaned? Being the majority doesn't give them the right to treat others as lesser humans.

What does any of that have to do with the name of a baseball team. And what tribe do you belong to?

[Throttlesteer]

and now the Vancouver Canucks have been asked to change their logo due to cultural appropriation. Luckily the timing is random and it's not like this has anything to do with any perceived wave of virtue signaling or social outrage stemming from being locked up in the house all year.

I'm amazed they've previously tuned out all of the Canadian native tribe's calls to right this wrong.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Throttlesteer

and now the Vancouver Canucks have been asked to change their logo due to cultural appropriation.

And they've already rejected the notion along with multiple statements of support from First Nations groups.

[Throttlesteer]

Originally Posted by Tabe

And they've already rejected the notion along with multiple statements of support from First Nations groups.

And what should this tell you?

Clearly a number of these requests driven by social outrage aren't coming from the group supposedly impacted.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Throttlesteer

And what should this tell you?

Clearly a number of these requests driven by social outrage aren't coming from the group supposedly impacted.

Well, in the case of the Canucks at least, that would seem to be the case.

I can't speak for the Cleveland situation.