SGC and greed

[kmac32]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Well, at least you can take comfort in knowing they can't grade S74 silks worth a damn in the first place

True. And they definitely need to work on their customer service.

[Mozzie22]

When I first looked into getting silks graded years ago only one company would even grade them and it wasn't SGC or PSA. It was these guys...

[kmac32]

Originally Posted by Mozzie22

When I first looked into getting silks graded years ago only one company would even grade them and it wasn't SGC or PSA. It was these guys...

Truthfully, those look good. I may pull my entire SGC order from them over this and they will get nothing from me. Will give them 24 hours to get their act together or I am done. Definitely standing my ground.

[68Hawk]

The inner sleeve is to stop the thin silk from slipping around inside the holder.
Especially true for those without backs.

Strange thread for mine, all the TPG's have bumped their grading prices.
It's not hard to understand, these collectables are now bringing significant returns and the TPG's want a slightly bigger piece of the pie.
When a slabbed and graded card brings the premium that it does over raw, this seems a fair and reasoned thought process.

If you don't like, just don't use the service.
If you're just as happy handling these silks with your oiled finger tips, go ahead.
But moaning over a $20 charge over the life of your ownership of this memorabilia is dumb to me.

Now if you were bitching about wait times - THERE'S A POST I"D THUMBS UP.

Pic added coz these silks get so damned little love.


Oh, and I know we get older and constantly want to pay the prices of our youth for things......but that aint a thing.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by 68Hawk

The inner sleeve is to stop the thin silk from slipping around inside the holder.
Especially true for those without backs.

Strange thread for mine, all the TPG's have bumped their grading prices.
It's not hard to understand, these collectables are now bringing significant returns and the TPG's want a slightly bigger piece of the pie.
When a slabbed and graded card brings the premium that it does over raw, this seems a fair and reasoned thought process.

If you don't like, just don't use the service.
If you're just as happy handling these silks with your oiled finger tips, go ahead.
But moaning over a $20 charge over the life of your ownership of this memorabilia is dumb to me.

Now if you were bitching about wait times - THERE'S A POST I"D THUMBS UP.

Pic added coz these silks get so damned little love.


Oh, and I know we get older and constantly want to pay the prices of our youth for things......but that aint a thing.

Paying the amount we did in our youth is the last thing consumers lament and care about... the last. It's getting VALUE for the extra money charged, which rarely if ever happens today. Surely, that isn't "dumb" to you??

The motto of most businesses today is I'll give you LESS, but demand MORE.

[68Hawk]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

Paying the amount we did in our youth is the last thing consumers lament and care about... the last. It's getting VALUE for the extra money charged, which rarely if ever happens today. Surely, that isn't "dumb" to you??

The motto of most businesses today is I'll give you LESS, but demand MORE.

I don't want to be rude, but if you don't understand the VALUE you receive from having cards graded, memorabilia authenticated, etc., then getting your pants knotted in this thread is the last thing you should be worried about.

There is enormous value in nearly everything you can acquire these days, should it fit your needs.
From the food you eat, the tv you watch, the car you drive, the music you listen to...all are produced at costs just pennies on the dollar to what would have been necessary in the past, due to automation and delivery services and methods.
If you had to put your own hours into learning, perfecting, and producing any of the above it would likely cost you a hundred times as much in whatever your hourly work value would be worth in your own profession.

If you view such things as grading cards in a poor light to begin with, for whatever reasons they are, your prejudice informs you to think of a plastic slab and an 'experts' opinion as not valued at todays costs.

If however, you value the grading service because it allows widespread confident trade in trinkets you have a fondness for, and that such grading will regularly add 50% to it's value and in cases double or triple its value, it's really not all that difficult to understand where many see value.

Again, pay to play or don't play.
Complaining about the cost when you don't HAVE TO go graded to enjoy this hobby is DUMB.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by 68Hawk

I don't want to be rude, but if you don't understand the VALUE you receive from having cards graded, memorabilia authenticated, etc., then getting your pants knotted in this thread is the last thing you should be worried about.

There is enormous value in nearly everything you can acquire these days, should it fit your needs.
From the food you eat, the tv you watch, the car you drive, the music you listen to...all are produced at costs just pennies on the dollar to what would have been necessary in the past, due to automation and delivery services and methods.
If you had to put your own hours into learning, perfecting, and producing any of the above it would likely cost you a hundred times as much in whatever your hourly work value would be worth in your own profession.

If you view such things as grading cards in a poor light to begin with, for whatever reasons they are, your prejudice informs you to think of a plastic slab and an 'experts' opinion as not valued at todays costs.

If however, you value the grading service because it allows widespread confident trade in trinkets you have a fondness for, and that such grading will regularly add 50% to it's value and in cases double or triple its value, it's really not all that difficult to understand where many see value.

Again, pay to play or don't play.
Complaining about the cost when you don't HAVE TO go graded to enjoy this hobby is DUMB.

I think the problem wasn't the grading in general, but that there was an unannounced upcharge to place the silks in a plastic sleeve as part of the process. And that that upcharge seemed unreasonably large.

Just going with it as a labor item, how long does it take to get a silk into a sleeve? Maybe a minute? Lets be generous and call it two minutes. Someone could easily do 30 cards an hour. At $20 per, that's basically charging 600/hour to place a card in a sleeve.

If that sounds totally reasonable to you, I'm happy for you. You must be doing very well.
I also have a fantastic bargain for you! I'll send you a vintage card from my collection for free! I just want $20 to put it in a sleeve AND toploader plus the postage. (Don't go getting all excited, it's a 48 Leaf common that would grade a 1.5 on a good day.)

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by 68Hawk

I don't want to be rude, but if you don't understand the VALUE you receive from having cards graded, memorabilia authenticated, etc., then getting your pants knotted in this thread is the last thing you should be worried about.

There is enormous value in nearly everything you can acquire these days, should it fit your needs.
From the food you eat, the tv you watch, the car you drive, the music you listen to...all are produced at costs just pennies on the dollar to what would have been necessary in the past, due to automation and delivery services and methods.
If you had to put your own hours into learning, perfecting, and producing any of the above it would likely cost you a hundred times as much in whatever your hourly work value would be worth in your own profession.

If you view such things as grading cards in a poor light to begin with, for whatever reasons they are, your prejudice informs you to think of a plastic slab and an 'experts' opinion as not valued at todays costs.

If however, you value the grading service because it allows widespread confident trade in trinkets you have a fondness for, and that such grading will regularly add 50% to it's value and in cases double or triple its value, it's really not all that difficult to understand where many see value.

Again, pay to play or don't play.
Complaining about the cost when you don't HAVE TO go graded to enjoy this hobby is DUMB.

This is beyond flawed logic to me. If something has perceived value to you, then ANY cost associated with it is doesn't matter, regardless of the amount?? With all due respect, I think that's the definition of dumb. Let me guess, any company that TELLS you their product has "value" regardless of the price.... and you're sold! .....right?

"You say it has value? I'll take this many!!!"

... would you still be seeing the same "value" if grading prices tripled tomorrow?

You're a marketing person's wet dream.

[kmac32]

Originally Posted by 68Hawk

The inner sleeve is to stop the thin silk from slipping around inside the holder.
Especially true for those without backs.

Strange thread for mine, all the TPG's have bumped their grading prices.
It's not hard to understand, these collectables are now bringing significant returns and the TPG's want a slightly bigger piece of the pie.
When a slabbed and graded card brings the premium that it does over raw, this seems a fair and reasoned thought process.

If you don't like, just don't use the service.
If you're just as happy handling these silks with your oiled finger tips, go ahead.
But moaning over a $20 charge over the life of your ownership of this memorabilia is dumb to me.

Now if you were bitching about wait times - THERE'S A POST I"D THUMBS UP.

Pic added coz these silks get so damned little love.


Oh, and I know we get older and constantly want to pay the prices of our youth for things......but that aint a thing.

All 3 cards in question have backs in tact, nice cards so they most likely would not slip around