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[t206fix]

Originally Posted by Throttlesteer

So Yankees should go based on your perspective.

So, when you fill out an application, you mark Yankee?

[BobbyStrawberry]

For many posts on this thread, I can't tell whether or not sarcasm is intended.

[MK]

At the rate we are going, how long will it be before possession of items containing these “offensive” words become illegal? Sounds crazy but what we’re doing now would have sounded crazy 20 years ago.

[Fballguy]

Ironic that white liberals think they need to tell Native Americans what's best for them. That's wokest part of all.

[jakebeckleyoldeagleeye]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Ironic that white liberals think they need to tell Native Americans what's best for them. That's wokest part of all.

Minority tyranny wins again. Whatever the left touches it destroys. Even sports.

[mr2686]

We should probably get rid of the Padres name to appease the atheists too.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by mr2686

We should probably get rid of the Padres name to appease the atheists too.

And while we're at it, let's rename another SoCal team...

The Los Angeles Agnostics of Anaheim

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by perezfan

And while we're at it, let's rename another SoCal team...

I thought you were talking about USC. Their name might be offensive to people who don't practice safe sex.

[The-Cardfather]

Unless I missed it, I'm surprised that no one on the board suggested "Cleveland Spiders"(in homage to the 1800s team of the same name).

But I'm sure that a group of arachnophobes would find it offensive.

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by mr2686

We should probably get rid of the Padres name to appease the atheists too.

Or Saints.

[campyfan39]

Lol! and the Providence Friars!
This silly discussion shows just how ridiculous this whole thing is.

Originally Posted by mr2686

we should probably get rid of the padres name to appease the atheists too.

[JollyElm]

If I call someone from France a Frenchman, it's fine. Oh, you hail from Sweden? You're a Swede. No problem. Down under? Hello, Aussie. But if I call someone from Mexico City a Mexican, the social justice d*bag warriors scream, "Racist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Sure it all makes perfect sense.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Jeez, is this supposed to be Chief Wahoo or John Wayne Gacy?

[cannonballsun]

I think this was mainly a company (owner's of the Cleveland Indians), deciding to do something that they thought would be good for their business. There had been no outcry recently about the name, it wasn't anything anybody had been talking about recently. It was just something the owners decided to do. Perhaps they felt it would be good public relations.
Of course we love sports, and we also love card collecting, but we often make it out to be something more important than it really is. Teams used to change names very often. It didn't used to be a big thing.
As Bob Dylan famously said "the times they are a changing".
My favorite saying is that "the only thing that never changes is that everything changes".
So, was I surprised to hear the name changed ? Yes. Is it a big deal to me ? No. I'm not an Cleveland Indian fan. If I were, I guess I would feel different.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by mr2686

We should probably get rid of the Padres name to appease the atheists too.

Yeah, give it a few years, then someone will feel offended that the Swinging Friar is a humiliation of a Catholic priest. We live in an age of hyper sensitivity and political correctness gone awry.

I feel that celebrating "Pirates" is a terrible thing to do because Pirates were thieves and murderers. Why do we as a society allow that to happen?

What about the KC Chiefs? Is that the next sports franchise name that is being targeted? Redskins - gone, Indians-gone. Chiefs can't be far behind.

Sorry about that mini-rant -

[nolemmings]

As I mentioned in my last post, this has been going on for 50 years. Get over it and stop whining.

[Jason19th]

I get very tired of the argument that’s this type of action is “woke” white people deciding what offends someone. I feel that this argument fails for two main reasons

1. It puts the burden on the aggrieved minority group to fight ever battle. These groups have enough burden and cannot be expected to fight every slight and injustice. These groups should not be expected to explain every insult and educate about ever wrong.

2. It misses the point that we as the majority group should be offended by the action. We may not have taken the original action but that doesn’t mean we should turn a blind eye to the wrong and not act. We should be embarrassed about what has been done and fix it. Let’s all stop pretending that Indian names were historically meant to honor in a real way. Most of these names were created on the teens- the thirties. They were not meant to honor real people struggling to prosper. They were put in place to recognize the image of the Indian as the noble savage, the cowboys and Indians view, the dime novel image. This is caricature not reality, and you can never honor with caricature. This was not a country respecting its native inhabitants. This was a country that was sending young Indian children to school to “save the man, kill the Indian. ” We tried to destroy their language and their culture. We did not take these actions but we need to stop misrepresenting what the actions really meant. I am not imposing offense on others, I am offended at what has been done in our name.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Jason19th

I get very tired of the argument that’s this type of action is “woke” white people deciding what offends someone. I feel that this argument fails for two main reasons

1. It puts the burden on the aggrieved minority group to fight ever battle. These groups have enough burden and cannot be expected to fight every slight and injustice. These groups should not be expected to explain every insult and educate about ever wrong.

2. It misses the point that we as the majority group should be offended by the action. We may not have taken the original action but that doesn’t mean we should turn a blind eye to the wrong and not act. We should be embarrassed about what has been done and fix it. Let’s all stop pretending that Indian names were historically meant to honor in a real way. Most of these names were created on the teens- the thirties. They were not meant to honor real people struggling to prosper. They were put in place to recognize the image of the Indian as the noble savage, the cowboys and Indians view, the dime novel image. This is caricature not reality, and you can never honor with caricature. This was not a country respecting its native inhabitants. This was a country that was sending young Indian children to school to “save the man, kill the Indian. ” We tried to destroy their language and their culture. We did not take these actions but we need to stop misrepresenting what the actions really meant. I am not imposing offense on others, I am offended at what has been done in our name.

How does this make the name "Indians" offensive?

You are way over-analyzing this, going back in history, finding grievances, and trying to say that now the very word "Indians" shouldn't be used. Do you want to cut it out of books too?

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Jason19th

I get very tired of the argument that’s this type of action is “woke” white people deciding what offends someone. I feel that this argument fails for two main reasons

1. It puts the burden on the aggrieved minority group to fight ever battle. These groups have enough burden and cannot be expected to fight every slight and injustice. These groups should not be expected to explain every insult and educate about ever wrong.

2. It misses the point that we as the majority group should be offended by the action. We may not have taken the original action but that doesn’t mean we should turn a blind eye to the wrong and not act. We should be embarrassed about what has been done and fix it. Let’s all stop pretending that Indian names were historically meant to honor in a real way. Most of these names were created on the teens- the thirties. They were not meant to honor real people struggling to prosper. They were put in place to recognize the image of the Indian as the noble savage, the cowboys and Indians view, the dime novel image. This is caricature not reality, and you can never honor with caricature. This was not a country respecting its native inhabitants. This was a country that was sending young Indian children to school to “save the man, kill the Indian. ” We tried to destroy their language and their culture. We did not take these actions but we need to stop misrepresenting what the actions really meant. I am not imposing offense on others, I am offended at what has been done in our name.

I love #2. "I'm offended so you should be offended!".

[gawaintheknight]

Originally Posted by Jason19th

I get very tired of the argument that’s this type of action is “woke” white people deciding what offends someone. I feel that this argument fails for two main reasons

1. It puts the burden on the aggrieved minority group to fight ever battle. These groups have enough burden and cannot be expected to fight every slight and injustice. These groups should not be expected to explain every insult and educate about ever wrong.

2. It misses the point that we as the majority group should be offended by the action. We may not have taken the original action but that doesn’t mean we should turn a blind eye to the wrong and not act. We should be embarrassed about what has been done and fix it. Let’s all stop pretending that Indian names were historically meant to honor in a real way. Most of these names were created on the teens- the thirties. They were not meant to honor real people struggling to prosper. They were put in place to recognize the image of the Indian as the noble savage, the cowboys and Indians view, the dime novel image. This is caricature not reality, and you can never honor with caricature. This was not a country respecting its native inhabitants. This was a country that was sending young Indian children to school to “save the man, kill the Indian. ” We tried to destroy their language and their culture. We did not take these actions but we need to stop misrepresenting what the actions really meant. I am not imposing offense on others, I am offended at what has been done in our name.

+1

[bobcatfunds]

I fear the Angels, Saints, and Padres will be next on the chopping block.

[perezfan]

Yep, any name with Christian roots will be forced to change. Just give it a couple more years.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by bobcatfunds

I fear the Angels, Saints, and Padres will be next on the chopping block.

And if they are?

[campyfan39]

Do you mark Indian? I didn't know that was a choice

Originally Posted by t206fix

So, when you fill out an application, you mark Yankee?

[Throttlesteer]

Originally Posted by t206fix

So, when you fill out an application, you mark Yankee?

Yankee is a derogatory term used to describe people from the US outside of this country.