T206 Doyle "NATL"

[atx840]

I've held Ryan's Doyle......

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by atx840

I've held Ryan's Doyle......

Hey Chris

Ole buddy....I have held, and closely examined four cards of the Joe Doyle Nat'L version. Two of them were REAL, and two of them were FAKE.

Dealers brought them to me to get my opinion. The most recent Joe Doyle Nat'L that was brought to my attention was from Brian Dwyer (then
with SGC) at the Valley Forge Philly Show. Brian wanted a 2nd opinion. Upon close examination, I told him it was a REAL, and SGC graded it.

Anyhow, the two key identifiers as to judging if they were real are the "N" of Nat'L lined up with the printer's Mark as shown in these scans.

And, the 2nd identifier was closely examining the Apostrophe in Nat'L. All of the FAKE's (created circa 1990) have the Apostrophe rising above the top line of the Nat'L lettering.


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -^ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Printer's Mark - - - -^ (remnant of "N" in Nat'L)


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[RedsFan1941]

joe is truly missed.

[atx840]

Pat have you posted this one?

[Pat R]

Chris do you know if they were made based off the two Doyle's Fritsch
Had?

[MVSNYC]

Hi Ted, on the fake ones, even before you would get to the location of the "N", and the apostrophe height...the type face used is just glaringly wrong, and "AT'L" in NAT'L is all the same height...whereas on real T206 cards, the league designation has "AT'L" a shorter height then the "N".

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Hi Ted, on the fake ones, even before you would get to the location of the "N", and the apostrophe height...the type face used is just glaringly wrong, and "AT'L" in NAT'L is all the same height...whereas on real T206 cards, the league designation has "AT'L" a shorter height then the "N".

Hi Mike

You are describing the more obvious FAKE's.

The location of the N in Nat'L....and, the apostrophe problem were much more subtle. The two Joe Doyle Nat'L
cards that I was asked to examine (which turned out to be FAKE's) were of the more subtle variety.

Back in the late 1980's - early 1990's these types of FAKE's were tracked down to a scammer in the Detroit area.

Actually the 1st Joe Doyle Nat'L card that Joe Pelaez acquired was a FAKE which originated from the Detroit area.
One of our Net54 members did some really cool "detective" work for Joe, and tracked down the perpetrator.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[MVSNYC]

Ah, ok, thanks Ted. I see.

Hope you're well, and happy thanksgiving!

[tedzan]

Mike

Wishing you and your Family a Happy Thanksgiving weekend.

Take care my friend.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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