eBay: Bidders' Identities Protected

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Not to defend PWCC but do you know bidders identities in any other auction? I won't bid with PWCC regardless because they have consistently demonstrated their lack of ethics, but you don't get to see bidder information anywhere else, do you?

[Throttlesteer]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Not to defend PWCC but do you know bidders identities in any other auction? I won't bid with PWCC regardless because they have consistently demonstrated their lack of ethics, but you don't get to see bidder information anywhere else, do you?

No, but most auction houses have a vetting process to assign a bidder number. Thats not the case with Ebay.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by Throttlesteer

No, but most auction houses have a vetting process to assign a bidder number. Thats not the case with Ebay.

Correct. And even if the vetting is minimal, I can at least see that "Bidder 22" has been against me. I can get a sense of whether I'm bidding against 10 interested parties or 1 passionate bidder.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Throttlesteer

No, but most auction houses have a vetting process to assign a bidder number. Thats not the case with Ebay.

Anson, you and Scott are both right. In a traditional AH, you have no idea who the other bidders are. However, you should be able to take some comfort that the bidders are real and have been vetted by the AH. This provides much comfort. That said, while it is a little more difficult, and may take assistance from another party, any lot in a normal AH can be shilled. No doubt that consignors have had friends or associates bid up the consignor’s lot. I even think some AH software allows a consignor to bid on their own lots, which I actually think is legal in most states (Scott knows for sure).

My point is that while ebay is a shit show and PWCC is the star of the show, all AHs are vulnerable to shilling. All you can really do is decide what you are willing to pay and stick to that; be happy if you win and move on if you lose.

I will say this - eBay has become the Wild West or the dark web. I rarely buy off eBay and only from vendors I have bought from before (most of whom I can find off eBay). I don’t think I could ever sell using eBay with all the scams, no-pays, and theft/fraud I read about on this board. I will consign to a real AH

[Chicosbailbonds]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Anson, you and Scott are both right. In a traditional AH, you have no idea who the other bidders are. However, you should be able to take some comfort that the bidders are real and have been vetted by the AH. This provides much comfort. That said, while it is a little more difficult, and may take assistance from another party, any lot in a normal AH can be shilled. No doubt that consignors have had friends or associates bid up the consignor’s lot. I even think some AH software allows a consignor to bid on their own lots, which I actually think is legal in most states (Scott knows for sure).

My point is that while ebay is a shit show and PWCC is the star of the show, all AHs are vulnerable to shilling. All you can really do is decide what you are willing to pay and stick to that; be happy if you win and move on if you lose.

I will say this - eBay has become the Wild West or the dark web. I rarely buy off eBay and only from vendors I have bought from before (most of whom I can find off eBay). I don’t think I could ever sell using eBay with all the scams, no-pays, and theft/fraud I read about on this board. I will consign to a real AH

If you really want something from a seller like PWCC or Probstein, just get a sniper and set your bid for 10 seconds before it ends. That will eliminate some of the shilling. I use Myibidder and it really is a time saver.

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Anson, you and Scott are both right. In a traditional AH, you have no idea who the other bidders are. However, you should be able to take some comfort that the bidders are real and have been vetted by the AH. This provides much comfort. That said, while it is a little more difficult, and may take assistance from another party, any lot in a normal AH can be shilled. No doubt that consignors have had friends or associates bid up the consignor’s lot. I even think some AH software allows a consignor to bid on their own lots, which I actually think is legal in most states (Scott knows for sure).

My point is that while ebay is a shit show and PWCC is the star of the show, all AHs are vulnerable to shilling. All you can really do is decide what you are willing to pay and stick to that; be happy if you win and move on if you lose.

I will say this - eBay has become the Wild West or the dark web. I rarely buy off eBay and only from vendors I have bought from before (most of whom I can find off eBay). I don’t think I could ever sell using eBay with all the scams, no-pays, and theft/fraud I read about on this board. I will consign to a real AH

Everyone is right about bidder ID's but way back in the day and iMHO the reason Ebay stopped showing full bidder ID names was this:

Let's say there are two cards from the same insert/parallel set) #'d to 25 of the newest hottest star (let's call him Shane Spencer).

The first person who has Shane sells it through an active bidding part. The other person holding the #d to 25 card would then message the low bidder and make the 2nd card available *outside of Ebay* for the price they were previously willing to pay. Sale made, EBay gets nothing, Ebay not happy; EBay changes policy on Bidder ID's. Yes it's that simple

Rich

[Michael B]

Rich has a very good point and there are two other scenarios that are nefarious in nature, but not on the part of the seller.

1. I see you are bidding on an item that I already have. However, you are collecting the same thing I am. I buy it just so you cannot own it. Creating Richard envy.

2. You are bidding on something. There is no love lost between us. I bid it up since I know you are willing to pay a certain amount for the item. You pay a lot more than you would have if I had not bid. I fornicate you just because I can.

[Buythatcard]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Not to defend PWCC but do you know bidders identities in any other auction? I won't bid with PWCC regardless because they have consistently demonstrated their lack of ethics, but you don't get to see bidder information anywhere else, do you?

Atleast when the bidders identity is not blocked, I am able to see that a bidder has x many retractions. I can also see if this bidder is bidding up all the other items in a Sellers auction. Now, that it's set to private, it's anyones guess.

So, it's not the actual identity of the bidder that I am concerned with. This has been hidden for over the past year or so.