Lots of people seem to want fake cards these days?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

They are pretty good fakes. I think the seller’s description is fair and his disclosures fine, that is, unless, he actually knows they are fake - which I suspect is likely the case - in which case its fraud (not sure legally, but certainly morally)

It is amazing to me that people will buy high value, raw cards online. Stupid is, as stupid does....

I agree those are good fakes (as fakes go). And I'm surprised at the large number of bids as well. But I also think buying raw on eBay is fine if you limit your transactions to trusted sellers. I believe the graders at Greg Morris Cards compare favorably to any of the 3 TPGs that we are currently stuck with.

[conor912]

A while back i set up at a show and had a box of random $1 cards including a bunch of aged reprints. A guy went through the whole box and cherry picked every single one. We got to talking about them and had an interesting conversation. His take was that the only difference between a real card and a reprint was perceived value. He said something to the affect of, “I’m a collector, not an investor. Investors look for value, I collect images.” It was interesting to think about the psychology of the difference. I wish to God I was content with reprints....I would probably be writing this from my yacht if I was.

[ASF123]

Originally Posted by conor912

A while back i set up at a show and had a box of random $1 cards including a bunch of aged reprints. A guy went through the whole box and cherry picked every single one. We got to talking about them and had an interesting conversation. His take was that the only difference between a real card and a reprint was perceived value. He said something to the affect of, “I’m a collector, not an investor. Investors look for value, I collect images.” It was interesting to think about the psychology of the difference. I wish to God I was content with reprints....I would probably be writing this from my yacht if I was.

Ha, that was probably the same guy we're talking about now. He had a good cover story, though.

[philo98]

I came across that seller on ebay a few months ago and almost bid on some of the items then. His listings are a bit misleading as the title doesnt state anything about being a reprint. Its only down in the description and I think alot of people bidding on some of those items do not read the description.

[ASF123]

Originally Posted by philo98

I came across that seller on ebay a few months ago and almost bid on some of the items then. His listings are a bit misleading as the title doesnt state anything about being a reprint. Its only down in the description and I think alot of people bidding on some of those items do not read the description.

They’re more than a bit misleading. They don’t say “this is a reprint,” they say “I’m selling this as a reprint because it’s not graded, but the origin is unknown,” which intentionally suggests the possibility that it is original.

As someone posted above, the seller knows it’s a fake and is making a fraudulent misrepresentation. EBay really needs to crack down on that kind of stuff, as well as the sellers who put fakes in lookalike PSA slabs (just missing the logo). If I were PSA, I’d also be going after those guys for trade dress misappropriation.

[Buythatcard]

He is also using this in each description heading "non PSA graded". This will bring up his cards when you search for PSA even though they are not slabbed by PSA.
I thought that was another eBay no no.

[ASF123]

I flagged a couple of his listings, but there were only a few options on the drop down menu for reasons for flagging, and “misleading item description” or “fake item” weren’t there. So I had to go with shill bidders.

How can eBay not even allow flagging for misrepresenting an item? I get that in this case they would probably take the lazy position that the seller’s disclaimer was truthy enough so they don’t have to get involved...but to not even have it as an option to report a listing?

[cardsagain74]

At least those prices from your link aren't as high as what people regularly spend for fake '52 T and '51 B Mantles.

Listings like this irk me a lot more, because it's from a dealer with a lot of (100%) feedback, and he goes to great lengths to divert attention from authenticity with nothing but supposed trimming talk and "evidence".

It's not even a good fake. Standard red flags for this card (like Mantle's bad sunburn and the wrong color under his cap's brim) are obvious even from those poor photos.

Swindling someone into paying $1500 for it

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mickey-Mant...-/293804811035

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by conor912

A while back i set up at a show and had a box of random $1 cards including a bunch of aged reprints. A guy went through the whole box and cherry picked every single one. We got to talking about them and had an interesting conversation. His take was that the only difference between a real card and a reprint was perceived value. He said something to the affect of, “I’m a collector, not an investor. Investors look for value, I collect images.” It was interesting to think about the psychology of the difference. I wish to God I was content with reprints....I would probably be writing this from my yacht if I was.

It is awesome, like beyond words awesome. I have several reprint sets that I honestly like as much as most real cards I have ever owned.

I recently picked up a T206 reprint set. I have started the set and sold off the real cards 3 times because I just got burned out on it. Now I have them all and I really like owning them.