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Old 11-25-2020, 04:07 AM
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Default 1963 series 6

There is currently a wrong back card for sale on ebay depicting a front of #466 and a back of #496.
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Old 11-25-2020, 07:25 AM
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There is currently a wrong back card for sale on ebay depicting a front of #466 and a back of #496.
Can you please post a link? I can't find it. It works out that I have the Freehan as the top card on the left edge of the yellow 22 card block and I have Dalkowski as the bottom card on the right edge of the red 22 card block, because 1963 wrong backs are always the mirror opposite of the front. It looks like it would throw off my theory on the placement of at least one of the 22 card blocks though, but that is a work in progress. I have some updates on other cards but I am waiting on off center center cards from Greg Morris on eBay. ETA: according to my theorized sheet I have the Freehan card as the first card in the second row and I have the Dalkowski as the last card on the eleventh row, so that would still work out if the back of the sheet was printed upside down like every other wrong 63 that I have ever seen is.
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Old 11-25-2020, 07:48 AM
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/1963-Toops-...-/373119782146

Here's a scan of the back

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Old 11-25-2020, 08:45 AM
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Ha! No wonder I couldn’t find it, the seller has it as TOOPS. Unfortunately it doesn’t show parts of other cards on the back but it does fit perfectly in the pattern of 63 wrong backs, the whole back sheet is always printed upside down and the back will be the mirror image of the card on the front. In this case the front is the top left edge card of the 22 card yellow block, and the back is the bottom right edge card of the 22 card red block.
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Old 11-26-2020, 08:05 AM
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These are the various 6th series wrong backs I have located: As you have noted, a card with a yellow banner & blue inset always has a card with a red banner and green inset on its back. Similarly, a card with yellow banner and red inset has a card with a red banner and yellow inset on its reverse, while the blue/yellow combo has blue/red match.



448 Jack Kralick (Y/B) 473 Mets Team (R/? G)
452 Barney Schultz (R/G) 499 JC Martin (Y/B)
459 Dick LeMay (R/G) 503 Braves Team (Y/?)
462 Wally Post (B/R) 511 Charley Neal (B/Y)
463 Joe Schaffernoth (Y/R) 493 Walt Bond (R/Y)
464 Ken Aspromonte (R/Y) 504 Bob Johnson (Y/R)
466 Freehan Rookie (Y) 496 Dalkowski Rookie (Y)
469 Jay Hook (R/G) 505 Curt Flood (Y/B)
472 Lou Brock (B/R) 488 Jerry Adair (B/Y)
473 Mets Team (R/? G) 448 Jack Kralick (Y/B)
474 Jack Fisher (Y/R) 500 Harmon Killebrew (R/Y)
475 Gus Triandos (R/Y) 482 Felix Torres (Y/R)
476 Frank Funk (R/G) 489 Paul Toth (Y/B)
478 Paul Brown (R/Y) 507 Roland Sheldon (Y/R)
481 Bob Taylor (B/Y) 495 Frank Thomas (B/R)
482 Felix Torres (Y/R) 475 Gus Triandos (R/Y)
488 Jerry Adair (B/Y) 472 Lou Brock (B/R)
489 Paul Toth (Y/B) 476 Frank Funk (R/G)
490 Willie McCovey (B/R) 510 Ken McBride (B/Y)
493 Walt Bond (R/Y) 463 Joe Schaffernoth (Y/R)
495 Frank Thomas (B/R) 481 Bob Taylor (B/Y)
496 Rookies Dalkowski (Y/) 466 Freehan (Y/?)
499 JC Martin (Y/B) 452 Barney Schultz (R/G)
500 Harmon Killebrew (R/Y) 474 Jack Fisher (Y/R)
502 Daryl Spencer (B/R) 455 Ruben Amaro (B/Y)
503 Braves Team (Y/?) 459 Dick LeMay (R/G)
504 Bob Johnson (Y/R) 464 Ken Aspromonte (R/Y)
505 Curt Flood (Y/B) 469 Jay Hook (R/G)
507 Roland Sheldon (Y/R) 478 Paul Brown (R/Y)
510 Ken McBride (B/Y) 490 Willie McCovey (B/R)
511 Charley Neal (B/Y) 462 Wally Post (B/R)
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Old 11-26-2020, 08:28 AM
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Default 1963 series 6 wrong backs

Forgot to list 447 (Mantilla) with 458 (Lopez)
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Old 01-09-2021, 07:58 PM
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Here is a list of all known wrong backs in 1963 6th Series. They are invaluable because if you know the placement of one side of the card on the sheet you can place the other side of the card on the opposite side of the sheet. The back card is from a back sheet that was printed upside down to the front of the sheet.



448 Jack Kralick (Y/B) 473 Mets Team (R/G)
452 Barney Schultz (R/G) 499 JC Martin (Y/B)
459 Dick LeMay (R/G) 503 Braves Team (Y/B)
460 Del Crandall (R/Y) 494 Phil Regan (Y/R)
462 Wally Post (B/R) 511 Charlie Neal (B/Y)
463 Joe Schaffernoth (Y/R) 493 Walt Bond (R/Y)
464 Ken Aspromonte (R/Y) 504 Bob Johnson (Y/R)
466 Freehan Rookie (Y/R) 496 Dalkowski Rookie (R/Y)
469 Jay Hook (R/G) 505 Curt Flood (Y/B)
472 Lou Brock (B/R) 488 Jerry Adair (B/Y)
473 Mets Team (R/G) 448 Jack Kralick (Y/B)
474 Jack Fisher (Y/R) 500 Harmon Killebrew (R/Y)
475 Gus Triandos (R/Y) 482 Felix Torres (Y/R)
476 Frank Funk (R/G) 489 Paul Toth (Y/B)
478 Paul Brown (R/Y) 507 Roland Sheldon (Y/R)
481 Bob Taylor (B/Y) 495 Frank Thomas (B/R)
482 Felix Torres (Y/R) 475 Gus Triandos (R/Y)
488 Jerry Adair (B/Y) 472 Lou Brock (B/R)
489 Paul Toth (Y/B) 476 Frank Funk (R/G)
490 Willie McCovey (B/R) 510 Ken McBride (B/Y)
493 Walt Bond (R/Y) 463 Joe Schaffernoth (Y/R)
494 Phil Regan (Y/R) 460 Del Crandall (R/Y)
495 Frank Thomas (B/R) 481 Bob Taylor (B/Y)
496 Rookies Dalkowski (R/Y) 466 Freehan (Y/R)
499 JC Martin (Y/B) 452 Barney Schultz (R/G)
500 Harmon Killebrew (R/Y) 474 Jack Fisher (Y/R)
502 Daryl Spencer (B/R) 455 Ruben Amaro (B/Y)
503 Braves Team (Y/B) 459 Dick LeMay (R/G)
504 Bob Johnson (Y/R) 464 Ken Aspromonte (R/Y)
505 Curt Flood (Y/B) 469 Jay Hook (R/G)
507 Roland Sheldon (Y/R) 478 Paul Brown (R/Y)
510 Ken McBride (B/Y) 490 Willie McCovey (B/R)
511 Charlie Neal (B/Y) 462 Wally Post (B/R)
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Old 02-03-2021, 11:58 AM
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After all of the fantastic work Kevvyg1026 did on figuring out the 1963 Topps 5th Series A and B sheets I figured I would show the cards themselves on the sheets. This is the top half of the Slit A sheet.
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Old 11-27-2020, 06:02 AM
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Doesn't the wrong back on McCovey force McBride (510) to be in C9 of the Amaro row and whatever card is on the wrong back of Monboquette to be in C10?
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Old 11-27-2020, 06:17 AM
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And the Brinkman wrong back has to be next to the Freehan RC?
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Old 11-27-2020, 07:42 AM
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And the Brinkman wrong back has to be next to the Freehan RC?
I have Ray Sadecki next to the Freehan on post #37, I don't remember how I came to that conclusion and I would have to go back through all of my scans to see why I did. I don't remember if there is a Brinkman/Sadecki wrong back or if it was something else. ETA: If I remember correctly I have scans of way off center backs of either Kralick or Sadecki and it could be verified that Kralick and Sadecki were adjacent to each other on the 22 card yellow block, that is how I placed Sadecki there. I don't know if there are any documented Brinkman/Sadecki wrong backs.
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Doesn't the wrong back on McCovey force McBride (510) to be in C9 of the Amaro row and whatever card is on the wrong back of Monboquette to be in C10?
On post #37 I do have McBride as the 9th card on the Amaro row and I have Jim Owens as the 10th card on the Amaro row.
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