Hey, pennant guys

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

I originally thought the guy just didn't know any better. Now he seems like a scumbag. I asked if the graphics were glued on and he said he checked them and they weren't. He must not have checked them very thoroughly.

There’s a reason he kept it in the holder for the pictures ... and he is basically conceding that it is homemade. I’m just embarrassed that I fell for it. I am the Manti Teo of pennant collectors. Am I still allowed to post here or do I get banished for being such a dope?

[perezfan]

His closing argument is that having an old hand-made pennant is more desirable than a manufactured one.

What a fool. Does he also think reprints are better than original cards? Or that Type 4 Photos are superior to Type 1? Or perhaps a traced autograph is more desirable than an original. Who is this seller, anyway.... the Acofind guy?

Let's all trace the Honus Wagner Card, color it in, and make millions. And you won't even need to stay within the lines!

[bocca001]

Sorry, Greg. I'm sure it will all work out in the end. Clear fake.

Maybe post a nice pic of the horror show face for us so we can see it up close.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Sorry, Greg. I'm sure it will all work out in the end. Clear fake.

Maybe post a nice pic of the horror show face for us so we can see it up close.

I already packed it away, expecting to mail it back. But he’s not budging so I have to go through eBay protection. This guy has no shame ... he now admits that it is handmade but says that’s different from *homemade*. LOL. He’s hanging his hat on something from KB’s blog about the very first ever pennants being handmade. What a piece of excrement. He knows it’s a fake.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I already packed it away, expecting to mail it back. But he’s not budging so I have to go through eBay protection. This guy has no shame ... he now admits that it is handmade but says that’s different from *homemade*. LOL. He’s hanging his hat on something from KB’s blog about the very first ever pennants being handmade. What a piece of excrement. He knows it’s a fake.

Unfortunately for him the very first pennants weren’t made in 1962.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Unfortunately for him the very first pennants weren’t made in 1962.

EXACTLY! Yes, the very first pennants ever made likely came from mom's sewing machine ... but that was in 1904, before felt novelty pennants were commercially available in every college town! This pennant is in an entirely different league being a) screen printed; b) for a professional sports team; and c) made in the 1960s. Any suggestion that my BLOG supports his notion that it was commonplace for such a contemporary pennant to be homemade--and using vinyl lettering no less--is laughable.

Nobody would do that in 1962 ... not for a $0.50 souvenir!

The only person that would spend the type of time and money it took to re-create this is someone who understands the contemporary value of that pennant today, which I suppose is closer to ... $500? Which means it was likely made last month...

I'm sorry Greg. Send me a PM with the seller's contact and I'll be glad to challenge him on any of this if you think it'd help resolve this sooner.

[thetahat]

Closure ... so eBay notified me that I was entitled to a refund and told me to return. About as clear-cut of a fake memorabilia case as you’d find. Special thanks to KB for helping. The seller then sent me this, apparently his feelings were hurt. Awww..... don’t try to pull a fast one on your buyers in the first place and you won’t be called out for it. He never did acknowledge the voided sale to Rob just minutes before my purchase. I don’t believe for a second he didn’t exactly know what he was doing.

As a side note, in 20+ years of buying this is the first such experience with a shady seller. I’ve been lucky.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

There’s a reason he kept it in the holder for the pictures ... and he is basically conceding that it is homemade. I’m just embarrassed that I fell for it. I am the Manti Teo of pennant collectors. Am I still allowed to post here or do I get banished for being such a dope?

Well you did get "catfished" on this one... But we've probably all been burned to some extent (at some point in time). This one is just a bit more egregious. Rather than a complete net54 banishment, perhaps a week off is appropriate, since he concealed it beneath the toploader.

At the risk of dating myself, it reminds me of those Colorforms cut-outs that were popular in the 1960s.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Rather than a complete net54 banishment, perhaps a week off is appropriate, since he concealed it beneath the toploader.

I agree with a week off. After all, we "pennant guys" have standards to uphold!