Wagner Auction

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by Throttlesteer

I would take it over all the Mike Trout super double refractor triple lenticular rookie patch auto die cut 1/1s getting similar money. Nothing against modern, but as soon as the printing press stamps a number and has a current player autograph it, its worth a tin. It just doesn't make sense to me.

We're talking about pieces of cardboard with pictures of people who played baseball on it. Spending millions on such shouldn't make sense to much anyone.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

We're talking about pieces of cardboard with pictures of people who played baseball on it. Spending millions on such shouldn't make sense to much anyone.

It makes more sense than a painting of water lillie's to me.

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by rats60

It makes more sense than a painting of water lillie's to me.

To each their own.

[cardsagain74]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

We're talking about pieces of cardboard with pictures of people who played baseball on it. Spending millions on such shouldn't make sense to much anyone.

Our society highly values collectibles and certain other intangible assets. People can love them because of aesthetic beauty, sentimentality and other positive emotions evoked from seeing them, the status that said societal value gives to owning highly prized ones, the possible investment potential stemming from everything above, and other reasons.

So you could argue that in first world countries of such prolonged excess and wealth for some, it should make sense that we've had some of the "best of the best" items go for more than a million dollars

[investinrookies]

I think its only a matter of time before some of these other rare key cards start getting more respect and seeing drastic increases especially the way this market is trending. Rare cards of key like Wagners mentioned above, Mathewson, johnson, ruth, gehrig, etc. Also, as some of these modern guys move to vintage they will be drawn to the big names and most likely some of the rarer stuff since that's what they seem to like in modern.

[Republicaninmass]

For the modern day "investor", Did you miss the last 10 years?

I realize people have motive to be pumping "investments " but there has been an insane run. I'll push signed cards all day long as they are much more sentimental to me, knowing (maybe) a player actually held his card, and signed for a fan.

Just looking at one past buy

2009 koufax rc psa 7 paid 700, average sales now 3700.

I dont see this as being sustainable, buy could be a plateau. Any little dips will probably be bought up by "investors" until/unless they are forced to sell.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by investinrookies

I think its only a matter of time before some of these other rare key cards start getting more respect and seeing drastic increases especially the way this market is trending. Rare cards of key like Wagners mentioned above, Mathewson, johnson, ruth, gehrig, etc. Also, as some of these modern guys move to vintage they will be drawn to the big names and most likely some of the rarer stuff since that's what they seem to like in modern.

Rarity is only a factor if the card is from a high demand set in modern. Modern collectors will be drawn to cards from key sets like t206 Cobbs and 1933 Goudey Ruths over rarer cards. They also like high grade cards, so rare low grade cards will be less appealing.

[investinrookies]

Originally Posted by rats60

Rarity is only a factor if the card is from a high demand set in modern. Modern collectors will be drawn to cards from key sets like t206 Cobbs and 1933 Goudey Ruths over rarer cards. They also like high grade cards, so rare low grade cards will be less appealing.

More I think about it and consider your point, the more Id tend to agree here. Lets just hope more of the transition happens and some of these vintage cards start getting even more respect and love than they do currently.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by rats60

Rarity is only a factor if the card is from a high demand set in modern. Modern collectors will be drawn to cards from key sets like t206 Cobbs and 1933 Goudey Ruths over rarer cards. They also like high grade cards, so rare low grade cards will be less appealing.

Rarity is less important than demand or this card would have gone for more...

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

We're talking about pieces of cardboard with pictures of people who played baseball on it. Spending millions on such shouldn't make sense to much anyone.

I agree but probably for a completely different reason. These awesome 100+ year old items could have been made last week. I know there are several that don't think it is possible or that they could tell the difference, they are wrong.

A gentleman made a complete 17th century Galileo Galilei book. It fooled ALL the experts for years before someone noticed the obvious flaws the forger put into the book on purpose. When someone can do that just imagine how easy it would be to make a simple baseball card. PBS had a awesome special on the book.

Here is a link with some info on the book. https://www.livescience.com/65847-ga...ook-fraud.html