Wagner Auction

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by puckpaul

you are missing two, his rookie Natl copper plate, and his Sporting News following closely. my favorite Wagners such beautiful imagery...are their any other cards/premiums with written descriptions from the playing days even?

I never understood the copper plates. What exactly are they? Do you have a link to a description/write-up/article? I have looked at a few sporting news over the year - tough to find not ripped (yours is great looking), but I don’t like that BVG is the only company that slabs them. As incompetent as PSA can be (slabbing a clear 1915 CJ reprint), I view BVG as being on par with GAI and I don’t want anything in a BVG slab.

[x2drich2000]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I never understood the copper plates. What exactly are they? Do you have a link to a description/write-up/article? I have looked at a few sporting news over the year - tough to find not ripped (yours is great looking), but I don’t like that BVG is the only company that slabs them. As incompetent as PSA can be (slabbing a clear 1915 CJ reprint), I view BVG as being on par with GAI and I don’t want anything in a BVG slab.

Ryan, here's a link (https://oldcardboard.com/m/ncpc/ncpc.asp?cardsetID=1241). Basically they were the predecessor to the M101-1 set issued about a year or two earlier. You can tell them apart from the M101-1 as they make no reference to the Sporting News. Instead of being a supplement, they were issued as a bound book (hence my question earlier and why they will have the two holes on the side). Full books are quite rare and unfortunately I believe a dealer destroyed one probably 2-3 years ago to sell them individually. BVG is the only one to grade them as they are too big even for SGC/PSA's holder (maybe not the newest PSA holder?).

[Rhotchkiss]

Thanks DJ

[Throttlesteer]

I would take it over all the Mike Trout super double refractor triple lenticular rookie patch auto die cut 1/1s getting similar money. Nothing against modern, but as soon as the printing press stamps a number and has a current player autograph it, its worth a tin. It just doesn't make sense to me.

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by Throttlesteer

I would take it over all the Mike Trout super double refractor triple lenticular rookie patch auto die cut 1/1s getting similar money. Nothing against modern, but as soon as the printing press stamps a number and has a current player autograph it, its worth a tin. It just doesn't make sense to me.

We're talking about pieces of cardboard with pictures of people who played baseball on it. Spending millions on such shouldn't make sense to much anyone.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

We're talking about pieces of cardboard with pictures of people who played baseball on it. Spending millions on such shouldn't make sense to much anyone.

It makes more sense than a painting of water lillie's to me.

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by rats60

It makes more sense than a painting of water lillie's to me.

To each their own.

[cardsagain74]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

We're talking about pieces of cardboard with pictures of people who played baseball on it. Spending millions on such shouldn't make sense to much anyone.

Our society highly values collectibles and certain other intangible assets. People can love them because of aesthetic beauty, sentimentality and other positive emotions evoked from seeing them, the status that said societal value gives to owning highly prized ones, the possible investment potential stemming from everything above, and other reasons.

So you could argue that in first world countries of such prolonged excess and wealth for some, it should make sense that we've had some of the "best of the best" items go for more than a million dollars

[investinrookies]

I think its only a matter of time before some of these other rare key cards start getting more respect and seeing drastic increases especially the way this market is trending. Rare cards of key like Wagners mentioned above, Mathewson, johnson, ruth, gehrig, etc. Also, as some of these modern guys move to vintage they will be drawn to the big names and most likely some of the rarer stuff since that's what they seem to like in modern.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

We're talking about pieces of cardboard with pictures of people who played baseball on it. Spending millions on such shouldn't make sense to much anyone.

I agree but probably for a completely different reason. These awesome 100+ year old items could have been made last week. I know there are several that don't think it is possible or that they could tell the difference, they are wrong.

A gentleman made a complete 17th century Galileo Galilei book. It fooled ALL the experts for years before someone noticed the obvious flaws the forger put into the book on purpose. When someone can do that just imagine how easy it would be to make a simple baseball card. PBS had a awesome special on the book.

Here is a link with some info on the book. https://www.livescience.com/65847-ga...ook-fraud.html

[puckpaul]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I never understood the copper plates. What exactly are they? Do you have a link to a description/write-up/article? I have looked at a few sporting news over the year - tough to find not ripped (yours is great looking), but I don’t like that BVG is the only company that slabs them. As incompetent as PSA can be (slabbing a clear 1915 CJ reprint), I view BVG as being on par with GAI and I don’t want anything in a BVG slab.

this article explains it somewhat. seems like you could get them in a full booklet, or also they came in a larger size prints in smaller groups? I have the larger sized Kid Nichols...

https://sportscollectorsdigest.com/a...late-portraits

I agree that the lack of grading has hurt the "value" for collectors, but I don't care much when the pieces are that large and beautiful. they do look a lot better when not beat up of course. most of mine are in excellent shape, a few are rough (would replace if I could find them better).

it doesn't detract for me if this image of Cy isn't graded, but I guess I do hope that someday PSA does grade them and finds holders, I understand that many collectors want to know its authentic and what they would grade.