T206 Reference / Reflections.....Tuesday Nite Trivia

[tedzan]

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Approx 90% of the PIEDMONT 150 cards of the green portrait Cobb are found off-center (to the top). Furthermore, the Cy Young portrait with the PIEDMONT 150 back
is usually off-center (to the top). I can attest to this, having sampled over 400 cards of each of these T206 subjects since 2005.

You may ask why I am concerned over this ? Why not just select a PIEDMONT 350 Cobb (which is usually well-centered). Simply stated, just call me a perfectionist, who
insists on having well-centered PIEDMONT 150 Cobb and Cy Young card in the 150 Series section of my all-PIEDMONT set. Quaint thinking, perhaps, but that's just me.
I've had this Cobb for many years. It's one of the best looking T206's in my collection. Eventually, I intend to get it graded. My guess is that it will get a high #.

The green Cobb and the Cy Young portrait were most likely printed in the top row of their sheet. And, these early PIEDMONT sheets were mis-cut resulting in the narrow
top borders on the cards located on their top row.
American Lithographic (ALC) printed the PIEDMONT brand first in press runs of T206 backs (on the preprinted sheets of T206 fronts). Proof of this process is revealed by
the Magie and Joe Doyle error cards. The Magie is ONLY a PIEDMONT 150 card, and the Doyle error is ONLY a PIEDMONT 350 card.

Having said all that, I'm curious....do any of you serious T206 collectors have similar "pet peeves" regarding certain T206 cards ?


If so, show-n-tell about your T206 "peeves"



TED Z

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[MVSNYC]

Ted (Hi Ted), I think collectors opt for the OC Green Cobb in the 150 series (versus 350) because the ink and clarity is always better. Maybe Cy too.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

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Approx 90% of the PIEDMONT 150 cards of the green portrait Cobb are found off-center (to the top). Furthermore, the Cy Young portrait with the PIEDMONT 150 back
is usually off-center (to the top). I can attest to this, having sampled over 400 cards of each of these T206 subjects since 2005.

You may ask why I am concerned over this ? Why not just select a PIEDMONT 350 Cobb (which is usually well-centered). Simply stated, just call me a perfectionist, who
insists on having well-centered PIEDMONT 150 Cobb and Cy Young card in the 150 Series section of my all-PIEDMONT set. Quaint thinking, perhaps, but that's just me.
I've had this Cobb for many years. It's one of the best looking T206's in my collection. Eventually, I intend to get it graded. My guess is that it will get a high #.

The green Cobb and the Cy Young portrait were most likely printed in the top row of their sheet. And, these early PIEDMONT sheets were mis-cut resulting in the narrow
top borders on the cards located on their top row.
American Lithographic (ALC) printed the PIEDMONT brand first in press runs of T206 backs (on the preprinted sheets of T206 fronts). Proof of this process is revealed by
the Magie and Joe Doyle error cards. The Magie is ONLY a PIEDMONT 150 card, and the Doyle error is ONLY a PIEDMONT 350 card.

Having said all that, I'm curious....do any of you serious T206 collectors have similar "pet peeves" regarding certain T206 cards ?


If so, show-n-tell about your T206 "peeves"



TED Z

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They were definitely in the top row of some of the piedmont 150 sheets

Young Large Top Border.jpg

but they weren't just in the top row

Young (Port) Split Front PD 150.jpg

Cobb.jpg

they are both also on the same piedmont 150 plate scratch sheets. This isn't
necessarily the full sheet but it is the minimum size of the sheet based on
lining all the known plate scratches of these subjects up.

0 Sheet 2B.jpg

Your Cobb does have a plate scratch and the scratch lines up here on the sheet

01 Sheet 2B.jpg

[tedzan]

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Pat R

I really appreciate your very informative response to my post regarding the PIEDMONT 150 green Cobb and Cy Young.....very, very interesting.


TED Z

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[Rhotchkiss]

All those guys were on same sheet? That is one hell of a sheet!

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

All those guys were on same sheet? That is one hell of a sheet!

It is a sheet with a lot of great players and I believe Wagner might have been on the same sheet for a short period.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...ighlight=strip

[brianp-beme]

The artistry overall seen in the T206 set is really nice, but for some reason the cards that are not at that same level really bug me. Here is an example of one. Emil Batch. It would be interesting to find out if anyone but a relative or Rochester collector would even think of collecting a back run of him. As seen by the photo, perhaps the artist didn't have much to work with, but still he didn't have to make him into such an egghead.

Brian (card not mine, but, as I hang my head in shame, I admit to having one)

[tedzan]

Hey guys,
I have to differ with you.

The T206 Honus Wagner is a 150-only Series subject. All the subjects on the sheet in Post #1073 are 150/350 Series subjects.
Therefore, it is impossible that Wagner was printed on that sheet with those cards.

Furthermore, this 5 card strip.....



......is NOT an authentic production piece. It is simply a strip of "proof" cards which American Lithographic (ALC) put together.
The story goes that ALC did this, gave it to Wagner in order to persuade him to permit them to print his image on T206 cards.

Note....that Brown, Bowerman, Kling and Cy Young cards are missing colors on their uniforms. This certainly tells us that this
strip is not a standard production piece.


TED Z

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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hey guys,
I have to differ with you.

The T206 Honus Wagner is a 150-only Series subject. All the subjects on the sheet in Post #1073 are 150/350 Series subjects.
Therefore, it is impossible that Wagner was printed on that sheet with those cards.

Furthermore, this 5 card strip.....



......is NOT an authentic production piece. It is simply a strip of "proof" cards which American Lithographic (ALC) put together.
The story goes that ALC did this, gave it to Wagner in order to persuade him to permit them to print his image on T206 cards.

Note....that Brown, Bowerman, Kling and Cy Young cards are missing colors on their uniforms. This certainly tells us that this
strip is not a standard production piece.


TED Z

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I don't understand this reasoning, all of the other 150 only subjects were
pulled prior to the transition to the 350 printing except for Brown (Chicago),
Magie and Wagner. Wagner was pulled quickly so I don't think it's a stretch
to say he was on a sheet with 150/350 subjects and it's
almost certain that he was. You yourself have stated many times that you
think he was on the same sheet as Plank who is a 150/350 subject.

I only stated that he might have been on this sheet based on the Wagner strip. I'm not sure what the odds are but they have to be pretty high
that out of 150+ subjects the three subjects from the strip that have confirmed plate scratches are in the exact same position on this plate scratch sheet as they are on the strip.

#2 sheet Wagner strip.jpg