1979 Gretzky's PSA 10

[cardsagain74]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

The OPC 10 was on eBay for months and months at 1 Mil and no sale.

It will be interesting to see if the different venue brings out bigger money.

Looking forward to following these two.

I can't imagine that it won't bring out the big bucks. Would imagine that those with the means are much more likely to hand Heritage 2 mill than any ebay seller, even probstein or pwcc.

Agree with EJKaufman, maybe around 2 million for the OPC and somewhere in the 750 k to 1 million range for the Topps

[Dpeck100]

https://youtu.be/66yNvHeePq4

This is the guy who had them listed and who must have consigned them.

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

https://youtu.be/66yNvHeePq4

This is the guy who had them listed and who must have consigned them.

I have seen this video before, but I totally forgot about his Gretzky! Well done, Peck!

I don't agree with this guy. He stated that the GOAT in football can always be debated. For example, some say it's Brady, others say it is Barry Sanders, others say Elway, etc. But in hockey, according to him, there is no debate. Now first of all, how can anyone compare a QB to a WR or a RB? It just wouldn't make sense to say that Jim Brown will always be better than Tom Brady. I think the same thing can be said about hockey. Yes, Gretzky is the greatest forward of all-time. However, the greatest d-man will always be Bobby Orr. And the greatest goalie? Now that would make an interesting debate!

[Tomi]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

I have seen this video before, but I totally forgot about his Gretzky! Well done, Peck!

I don't agree with this guy. He stated that the GOAT in football can always be debated. For example, some say it's Brady, others say it is Barry Sanders, others say Elway, etc. But in hockey, according to him, there is no debate. Now first of all, how can anyone compare a QB to a WR or a RB? It just wouldn't make sense to say that Jim Brown will always be better than Tom Brady. I think the same thing can be said about hockey. Yes, Gretzky is the greatest forward of all-time. However, the greatest d-man will always be Bobby Orr. And the greatest goalie? Now that would make an interesting debate!

Look at it this way in terms of GOAT in Hockey. Gretzky played on the most stacked team ever and scored and passed all day winning scoring titles but was non existent on defense. Orr was defenseman of the year 8 straight years AND won scoring titles AND MVP's as the best scorer of his era. He was defenseman of the year and was at the top of the scoring leaders every year also. The first 100 assist season was accomplished by Orr, a defenseman. Orr is the ONLY player in the sports history to do this. Not even an argument for me as who is the GOAT. He is undoubtedly the #1 5 tool player the sport has ever seen.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Here's one list anyhow. I am guessing Hasek tops more lists than anyone else.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...es-of-all-time

[Tomi]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Here's one list anyhow. I am guessing Hasek tops more lists than anyone else.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...es-of-all-time

I would have no problem with Hasek at #1.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Here's one list anyhow. I am guessing Hasek tops more lists than anyone else.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...es-of-all-time

I would say that is definitely not the general consensus among the hockey cognoscenti. Comparing goaltenders of past generations is difficult, and considering Hasek played in an era dominated by two better netminders in both Patrick Roy and Martin Brodeur, I don't think the appellation of greatest of all time could possibly be bestowed when he wasn't even the best of his generation.

ONE of the greatest all-time, of course, the absolute best though? I don't think so...

[Tomi]

[QUOTE=Huysmans;2030198]I would say that is definitely not the general consensus among the hockey cognoscenti. Comparing goaltenders of past generations is difficult, and considering Hasek played in an era dominated by two better netminders in both Patrick Roy and Martin Brodeur, I don't think the appellation of greatest of all time could possibly be bestowed when he wasn't even the best of his generation.

Hasek beats both in career save %, GAA and total Vezinas (6 to Brodeurs 4 and Roy's 3 ). All this while a rookie at 26 yrs. old. Pretty solid case. Even won a couple of Hart's.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Here's one list anyhow. I am guessing Hasek tops more lists than anyone else.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...es-of-all-time

Tony Esposito over Billy Smith? Curious list, indeed...

[Kevin]

For what it's worth,Lemieux could do everything Gretzky could. An added bonus was he was bigger. Also extra points for playing in the more physical Patrick Division vs the Smythe Division.

Who's ready to discuss 80s hockey? Let's go, boys...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Tomi

Look at it this way in terms of GOAT in Hockey. Gretzky played on the most stacked team ever and scored and passed all day winning scoring titles but was non existent on defense. Orr was defenseman of the year 8 straight years AND won scoring titles AND MVP's as the best scorer of his era. He was defenseman of the year and was at the top of the scoring leaders every year also. The first 100 assist season was accomplished by Orr, a defenseman. Orr is the ONLY player in the sports history to do this. Not even an argument for me as who is the GOAT. He is undoubtedly the #1 5 tool player the sport has ever seen.

This is essentially the argument you will get from most Bostonians. I'm not sure that many people anywhere else buy it though.

[Tomi]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

This is essentially the argument you will get from most Bostonians. I'm not sure that many people anywhere else buy it though.

Just a common sense argument for me. Played at the highest level on offense AND defense. Pretty much a no brainier for me.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

This is essentially the argument you will get from most Bostonians. I'm not sure that many people anywhere else buy it though.

I am not from Boston and I agree with Orr as the GOAT. Could the GOAT in baseball be a DH? I would rather have a complete player over a one dimensional one.

[shagrotn77]

Gretzky is the GOAT in any team sport and it's not even close. I'm so tired of the Bobby Orr guys trying to push their greatest of all time agenda. Yes, he was spectacular...for 6 years. Gretzky checks every damn box when it comes to greatness. Regular season records. Career records. Championships. Making his teammates better. People like to say he wasn't great on defense. Guess what - he wasn't paid to play defense!!!

[irv]

Originally Posted by Tomi

Look at it this way in terms of GOAT in Hockey. Gretzky played on the most stacked team ever and scored and passed all day winning scoring titles but was non existent on defense. Orr was defenseman of the year 8 straight years AND won scoring titles AND MVP's as the best scorer of his era. He was defenseman of the year and was at the top of the scoring leaders every year also. The first 100 assist season was accomplished by Orr, a defenseman. Orr is the ONLY player in the sports history to do this. Not even an argument for me as who is the GOAT. He is undoubtedly the #1 5 tool player the sport has ever seen.

I agree, and considering how short Orr's career was due to injuries from not being protected like Gretzky was, one can only imagine the feats he would have accomplished if he was.

[Tomi]

Originally Posted by irv

I agree, and considering how short Orr's career was due to injuries from not being protected like Gretzky was, one can only imagine the feats he would have accomplished if he was.

The crazy thing is that Orr in only 9 seasons had a higher career +/- than Gretzky in a 20 year career.
Needless to say, both are 2 of the best and they are incredible on and off the ice.