'48 Leaf Wagner/Robinson - Print Variation?

[steve B]

The reduced magenta was just going back to using red instead. There's a whole separate print run where they used the actual magenta - Yes, the very pink ones.

The ones with the extra bars come both normal and with bright pink.

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by steve B

The reduced magenta was just going back to using red instead. There's a whole separate print run where they used the actual magenta - Yes, the very pink ones.

The ones with the extra bars come both normal and with bright pink.

Steve, can you post some Jackies here and show us what you're talking about? Thanks

[steve B]

Well, that was supposed to have an image... The IMG link is there, and it showed in preview....
Onedrive is apaprently mostly hopeless for sharing images.

Anyway, here's the image from my spreadsheet. I don't own any of these, but collected images from online. Some of the spreadsheet images are my cards, but mostly commons.

L to right
shaded hat no bars at the sides
Plain hat red/blue/yellow/black bars at the sides.
Plain hat Magenta/blue/yellow/black bars at the sides.

I can see I'll have to do some cropping to get it bigger.

[steve B]

Ok, still small cropped, we'll do it the hard way.

shaded hat no bars



Unshaded hat regular red bars at sides



Unshaded hat bright pink bars at sides



A bit of pixelation here and there, wiht the images sourced from Ebay and auction houses and here the sizes and quality are variable. In the spreadsheet I resized most for consistency.

The Jackie is one of the tougher ones to spot the bright pink. I used the image I chose because the card is a bit out of register and has a random spot , both showing the pink more clearly.

On cards with red backgrounds or name boxes it's much easer.

[yanks87]

The color variations is so amazing as in NO QC for using ink colors that were remotely similar in many cases. I could be totally off base but I feel like the Jackie with the hat details came first and was changed after. I guess it is not unheard of that details would be added in by creating a new plate, but it is usually the other way around. I would make the same argument for Stan Musial, that the plate was corrected to let more red come through, and have less black printed. You can basically see the line that was masked to allow this to happen.

Thanks for all the great info, it has made going through my set and doubles that much more enjoyable.

[steve B]

Each color has its own plate.

removing stuff from a plate is easy, adding it to an existing plate is hard. (well, not hard if all you want is a line or to strengthen a small letter, you can just scratch that in. But adding shading is a new plate situation.

The colors would have been mixed by hand to get a particular shade that would reproduce the colors better. Black is pretty much always the same, but for one press run at least, they used the Magenta straight instead of mixing it to red.
Cyan was probably also used unmixed at one point. And yellow, but that's usually the first color printed, so it's the hardest to tell.

They were all on the same sheet as far as I know, so there should be differences on every card. I haven't counted, but I think I found maybe 1/4 of the different ones. At least three different main groups, plus some intermediate ones.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by steve B

Each color has its own plate.


They were all on the same sheet .....as far as I know, so there should be differences on every card. I haven't counted, but I think I found maybe 1/4 of the different ones. At least three different main groups, plus some intermediate ones.

Steve

This is true....here is an old photo (circa 1981) of an uncut sheet of 1st series cards. Along with a diagram of the card #'s on their backs.








TED Z

T206 Reference
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[yanks87]

You guys beat me to it!! I was just typing a question about the plate placement of an uncut sheet.

[samosa4u]

I feel like I've run into a wall here:



The face color on the above four cards are all different. On top of that, we're trying to look at the bars/no bars + shaded cap/no shaded cap. This is getting tough! How would you guys break the above cards down?

[yanks87]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

I feel like I've run into a wall here:
The face color on the above four cards are all different. On top of that, we're trying to look at the bars/no bars + shaded cap/no shaded cap. This is getting tough! How would you guys break the above cards down?

I feel like there are two versions, The shaded cap, and the all blue cap/yellow bars, with the shaded cap printed first. Super interesting. Thanks for pulling the side by sides.

The difference in face color speaks to the Print Variations that Ted references earlier in the thread.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

I feel like I've run into a wall here:



The face color on the above four cards are all different. On top of that, we're trying to look at the bars/no bars + shaded cap/no shaded cap. This is getting tough! How would you guys break the above cards down?

1 and 3 are the same, and both pink.

2 and 4 are the same.