Ebay reneger report!

[FrankWakefield]

From the other side of the coin....

I bid something in at say $120 and I think I've gotten a great deal, I instantly pay... only to get a message a day later saying "sorry, I can't find that card anywhere... ." I've gotten that several times. Mostly, I believe them. A couple of times I've wondered if they got a message right after the listing ends saying that someone meant to bid$350.... and the card is then bought out from under me.

Another annoyance is what I consider hostage feedback. Once I've paid and provided an address, I've done all that I must do, the seller should enter feedback. For a seller to say he'll leave feedback after I have seems BS to me.

Absent a good reason to the contrary, a buyer should honor his offers. I agree with that sentiment.

One more thing. Whales. The BIG bidder/buyers will sometimes win something along with other stuff, the pass on the something and only pay for the other stuff. The Auction guys allow that, so as not to piss off the Whale. Fine if you had consigned 'other stuff', not fine if you had consigned the 'something'. Also, I've had Auction houses mention a delay in settling up with me because something I sold was bought by a Whale, who just hadn't gotten around to paying yet. Whales get to pay late; some Auction guys allow that to get more commission on sales. And because they want the Whales to return for the next auction.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

Another annoyance is what I consider hostage feedback. Once I've paid and provided an address, I've done all that I must do, the seller should enter feedback. For a seller to say he'll leave feedback after I have seems BS.

I think it would be horrible practice for a seller in the long run to provide feedback before receiving feedback or proof of delivery. Thinking this way is painting all buyers as yourself. Honestly as an exseller on eBay (because of shoddy buyers and no protection for sellers) a non payer was the least of my worries.

The seller risk starts at shipping, it can be people who state they never received, even with confirmation they can purposely damage items and demand a return for the item being misrepresented. As well as demand odd things like partial refunds by truly holding feedback hostage as buyers are the only party that can provide negative feedback. There are a million other scams also that leave the seller holding the bag at great loss.

I don’t believe it would help their case with a judge, postmaster, eBay or PayPal if I as a seller had left glowing feedback on the transaction and then they pull this.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by JustinD

I think it would be horrible practice for a seller in the long run to provide feedback before receiving feedback or proof of delivery. Thinking this way is painting all buyers as yourself. Honestly as an exseller on eBay (because of shoddy buyers and no protection for sellers) a non payer was the least of my worries.

The seller risk starts at shipping, it can be people who state they never received, even with confirmation they can purposely damage items and demand a return for the item being misrepresented. As well as demand odd things like partial refunds by truly holding feedback hostage as buyers are the only party that can provide negative feedback. There are a million other scams also that leave the seller holding the bag at great loss.

I don’t believe it would help their case with a judge, postmaster, eBay or PayPal if I as a seller had left glowing feedback on the transaction and then they pull this.

Buyers who use PayPal have 180 days to file a claim, do you hold off giving feedback for that long?

[Throttlesteer]

I have seen a significant uptick with non-paying bidders. Not sure why you bid on something, win it, and then ignore it. But that's exactly what's happening.

[chalupacollects]

Originally Posted by Throttlesteer

I have seen a significant uptick with non-paying bidders. Not sure why you bid on something, win it, and then ignore it. But that's exactly what's happening.

Sometimes to run up the comps if they are trying to or going to sell the same item...

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by Jim65

Buyers who use PayPal have 180 days to file a claim, do you hold off giving feedback for that long?

I honestly don’t sell on eBay anymore, I do not like the buyer risk quotient.

If they returned the sellers ability to negative feedback poor buyers so they can be found and blocked easier, I would start again no problem.

[ALR-bishop]

I buy quite a bit on eBay, and have never sold anything. When I started on eBay sellers in my view had the upper hand, and some abused it. Now the rules have totally changed to favor the buyers, and I realize there are many dishonest and crazy buyers who abuse the system. As strictly a buyer I do not favor the current system because it is too one sided and has driven many good sellers off eBay, which is not good for us honest buyers

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by JustinD

I honestly don’t sell on eBay anymore, I do not like the buyer risk quotient.

If they returned the sellers ability to negative feedback poor buyers so they can be found and blocked easier, I would start again no problem.

Thank the sellers who abused the feedback system by leaving retaliatory negative feedback when buyers did nothing wrong. Buyers were afraid to leave honest feedback. This system is far from perfect but its better than old system.

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by Jim65

Thank the sellers who abused the feedback system by leaving retaliatory negative feedback when buyers did nothing wrong. Buyers were afraid to leave honest feedback. This system is far from perfect but its better than old system.

This is exactly it. If a seller scammed you, or blatantly lied about the condition of a card, etc., etc., the buyer was basically powerless to do anything about it or warn other users about the seller. If you left negative feedback when the situation dictated it, you would only be hurting yourself, because the retaliatory negative feedback would inevitably come your way.

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

This is exactly it. If a seller scammed you, or blatantly lied about the condition of a card, etc., etc., the buyer was basically powerless to do anything about it or warn other users about the seller. If you left negative feedback when the situation dictated it, you would only be hurting yourself, because the retaliatory negative feedback would inevitably come your way.

Very simply allow the feedback - allow a response and not count it toward the feedback rating %

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

From the other side of the coin....

I bid something in at say $120 and I think I've gotten a great deal, I instantly pay... only to get a message a day later saying "sorry, I can't find that card anywhere... ." I've gotten that several times. Mostly, I believe them. A couple of times I've wondered if they got a message right after the listing ends saying that someone meant to bid$350.... and the card is then bought out from under me.

This has happened with me as a seller 3 times this past year (have sold hundreds of items). 2 of them I later found, contacted the original seller and completed the transactions, the 3rd I haven't found. I don't doubt that the scenario you laid out with contact and a higher offer happens and I suspect some sellers are swayed. I like to think that most sellers have more integrity than that. I know I do. How it has happened on my ned - 1) I just misplaced the item, I have created a "listings staging" area to help prevent this from happening, 2) I accidentally "relist" something that I had already sold - this is rare, but possible (for me at least).

One more thing. Whales. The BIG bidder/buyers will sometimes win something along with other stuff, the pass on the something and only pay for the other stuff. The Auction guys allow that, so as not to piss off the Whale. Fine if you had consigned 'other stuff', not fine if you had consigned the 'something'. Also, I've had Auction houses mention a delay in settling up with me because something I sold was bought by a Whale, who just hadn't gotten around to paying yet. Whales get to pay late; some Auction guys allow that to get more commission on sales. And because they want the Whales to return for the next auction.

This seems like it would apply to a non Ebay auction.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

From the other side of the coin....

I bid something in at say $120 and I think I've gotten a great deal, I instantly pay... only to get a message a day later saying "sorry, I can't find that card anywhere... ." I've gotten that several times. Mostly, I believe them. A couple of times I've wondered if they got a message right after the listing ends saying that someone meant to bid$350.... and the card is then bought out from under me.

Another annoyance is what I consider hostage feedback. Once I've paid and provided an address, I've done all that I must do, the seller should enter feedback. For a seller to say he'll leave feedback after I have seems BS to me.

Absent a good reason to the contrary, a buyer should honor his offers. I agree with that sentiment.

One more thing. Whales. The BIG bidder/buyers will sometimes win something along with other stuff, the pass on the something and only pay for the other stuff. The Auction guys allow that, so as not to piss off the Whale. Fine if you had consigned 'other stuff', not fine if you had consigned the 'something'. Also, I've had Auction houses mention a delay in settling up with me because something I sold was bought by a Whale, who just hadn't gotten around to paying yet. Whales get to pay late; some Auction guys allow that to get more commission on sales. And because they want the Whales to return for the next auction.

I completely agree. I did my part by buying and then paying for an item. Feedback should be left at THIS point by the seller. What happens during shipping is completely irrelevant to my part of the transaction.

If it's not left by the seller at this point, of which there is no legitimate excuse not to.... I won't leave feedback and I won't buy from them again.