Never Seen Broad Leaf 460

[Kidnapped18]

Art M and Ted Z
What is the deal with Ames? Why is he listed separate on T206 Resource under probable no prints making total 34? But Ted Z has him in Group A for a total of 35?

Is there not a consensus on Ames or am I missing something?

Thanks Tony

[Howe’s Hunter]

Haven’t seen you in the site for some time. Take care.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Kidnapped18

Art M and Ted Z
What is the deal with Ames? Why is he listed separate on T206 Resource under probable no prints making total 34? But Ted Z has him in Group A for a total of 35?

Is there not a consensus on Ames or am I missing something?

Thanks Tony

Hi Tony

Bear with me, I am going into a long dissertation to prove to you that the Ames (hands above head) card was printed in what I refer to as Group A of the the 350/460 series.

From years of research regarding the 63 subjects the 350/460 series, I presented a theory which I posted in April 2010 on Net54 in which I hypothesize that the AB 460 and
UZIT cards were printed as pairs. Also, BL 460 and red HINDU cards were printed as pairs. Furthermore, these two groups of pairs are Mutually-Exclusive.

Illustrated here are scans of the 350/460 series subjects in order to show how these mutually-exclusive backs in this series resulted from American Lithographic separating
these 63 subjects into two print groups.



Group A of the 350/460 series includes 35 subjects printed and issued with these four 460-type backs (circa..late 1910 > early 1911).

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Factory #25 VA ......................... Factory#42 N.C.


Conversely, these 35 subjects were NOT PRINTED with.... AMERICAN BEAUTY 460....UZIT


Group A

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Group B




Group B of the 350/460 series includes 28 subjects printed and issued with these two 460-type backs (circa..Feb-Mar 1911).

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Conversely, these 28 subjects were NOT PRINTED with.. SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 25.. SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42.. red HINDU.. BROAD LEAF 460



Tony, my above stated theory has withstood the test of 10+ years (so far). In fact, I have offered a $500 reward to anyone who can come up with an authentic Ames (hands
above head) card with either an AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 back or a UZIT back. I am that certain of my theory.

T206 Resource is a good website....but in this case, they have this one all wrong.

I completely expect that this Ames card will eventually be discovered with a BROAD LEAF 460 back, and a Red HINDU back.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[Ronnie73]

Group "A" was also the cards only found in the Yellow/Brown Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 Scraps.

The Red Ames Arms Over Head is found in the Yellow/Brown Scrap only.
Just more proof that certain cards only have certain backs.
Many still don't realize that there's levels beyond just basic Print Groups.

Many years ago, Ted and I were decoding these Group "A" and "B" cards without even knowing we were both on the same track and research. After Ted released his theory on the two groups within the Print Group, I backed up his theory with my research on the Sweet Caporal "No Prints" and our list breakdowns matched exactly.

My early research back in 2011 on these groups were my way of knowing exactly what "No Prints" to search for before they even showed up. None were even known at this point. I just figured there was a chance a sheet or two slipped by. When 27 different cards became public knowledge years later, I knew one card was still missing and kept quiet until I finally found that last number 28th card of Nap Lajoie With Bat. It's funny that even after I found that last card on my list, many people didn't believe it to be real. But then again, they didn't have a three part checklist that I made in 2011. I had mine broken down as Group "A" without the Super Prints, Group "B", and then Group "C" Super Prints Only.

Group "B" were the cards only found in Full Color Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 Scraps.

There's only one anomaly which is a Sherry Magee With Bat that showed up as a full color card. But it's still a Scrap, so it's difficult to say how that one made it out. Maybe a sheet of full color Group "A" cards made it out but had an extremely low survival rate and that's why only that one card has surfaced so far.

The T206 set is such a fun set to dissect and research. And by doing this, you can find many hidden rarities out there that just look like basic commons to most.

[Kidnapped18]

Ted thanks for the explanation...I enjoy reading and learning about the T206's!
I only have one that I acquired last month so my T206 journey has just started.