Trout v. Legendary cards

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by todeen

Really? Tony Gwynn in 1994.

To me, hitting .400 is still possible. Miggy's Triple Crown a few years back is evidence that some of these rare achievements are still possible. Today's players have traded average for power. It's what managers and general managers are asking of them. If a good hitter today wanted to pursue 400, I believe it's possible.

This reminds me of the Ty Cobb fanatics on this board that talk about how Ty Cobb could have hit more home runs if he wanted to, but he chose not to. Players have to choose a style, and that style allows them to pursue certain accolades. It also stops them from pursuing others.

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I don't doubt that "someone" will hit .400 again...someday...BUT...ICHIRO would have been my pick to do over anyone in recent times...and he couldn't!

[todeen]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I don't doubt that "someone" will hit .400 again...someday...BUT...ICHIRO would have been my pick to do over anyone in recent times...and he couldn't!

I'm from WA State, love Ichiro. At what point does playing for a crappy team like Seattle suck away some of your talent? I'm thinking of Joey Votto too.

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[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by todeen

I'm from WA State, love Ichiro. At what point does playing for a crappy team like Seattle suck away some of your talent? I'm thinking of Joey Votto too.

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Dunno? So if Trout were on a winner...he'd have better stats?

[todeen]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Dunno? So if Trout were on a winner...he'd have better stats?

I think so. I think the same could be said for Ted Williams, too.

A lot of baseball is mental. When you personally disagree with choices of the general manager and manager to call it a season and bring up younger players, or to sell at the deadline to "reap rewards for next year," it all plays on one's psyche....whether they will say it or not. And in today's game of REBUILDING, that has to hinder offensive production. The Reds have been rebuilding forever, and they were tied to some pretty big names this offseason in an effort to win. Many signed elsewhere. How many of those players said, "I don't want to play in Cincinnati because they can't win"?

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by todeen

I think so. I think the same could be said for Ted Williams, too.

A lot of baseball is mental. When you personally disagree with choices of the general manager and manager to call it a season and bring up younger players, or to sell at the deadline to "reap rewards for next year," it all plays on one's psyche....whether they will say it or not. And in today's game of REBUILDING, that has to hinder offensive production. The Reds have been rebuilding forever, and they were tied to some pretty big names this offseason in an effort to win. Many signed elsewhere. How many of those players said, "I don't want to play in Cincinnati because they can't win"?

if one is on a better team I'd surmise the concept of being pitched around might be greater?

[todeen]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

if one is on a better team I'd surmise the concept of being pitched around might be greater?

Maybe, I can only think of Barry Bonds. It turned out alright for him.

And taking a walk doesn't count toward total at bats, and doesn't hurt batting average.

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[ullmandds]

good points re. walks...I agree!

[Throttlesteer]

Originally Posted by todeen

I'm from WA State, love Ichiro. At what point does playing for a crappy team like Seattle suck away some of your talent? I'm thinking of Joey Votto too.

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Holds true for Gwynn for most of his career.

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Originally Posted by ullmandds

I don't doubt that "someone" will hit .400 again...someday...BUT...ICHIRO would have been my pick to do over anyone in recent times...and he couldn't!

Believe it or not walks are an enormous help in hitting .400. Ichiro didn't walk nearly enough.