Show...me...your print variations!

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by joejo20

Found these years ago together and held onto them. No name on back and missing yellow. Joe

The 1960 Glen Hobbie and Del Crandall were side by side on the original printing sheet. The reason I know is that their 1960 Venezuelan cards each have a print flaw on the back of their cards that I have never seen correct versions of. I was going to get a 1960 Venezuelan Crandall and post both of them here side by side but these two were shown. The Crandall was on the edge of the sheet so there is no card below it. You can see the Crandall on the miscut Hobbie card.

[Cliff Bowman]

These have already been discussed but I can now show the three of them in one scan and what I believe is the fourth card affected. It's possible that there is a more severe version of the Susce, this one is partially missing black ink on the cartoon character's shoe, his head and hat, and a letter 'a'. It's also possible that a fifth card Billy Muffett is missing ink but I doubt it exists, it was under Slaughter on the sheet. I couldn't figure out how to enlarge the scan for the site so I took a picture which is only a little better.

[Cliff Bowman]

Here are the four cards individually to show more detail.

[nolemmings]

Here's something I didn't expect to see. I don't chase variations, so I do not notice them often, but just for grins I sometimes look to see if there are any 1968 red blob cap Rich Reese cards like the one I posted some time ago. I have not seen one since, until today, and thought it was kind of funny that Topps stamped an error card as part of their buy-back promotion:

[ejstel]

Hi yes don't usually see. I surprisingly saw this one as well via a heritage box insert.

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[Cliff Bowman]

I saw a 1978 Topps Bump Wills Black Circle error card a few years ago with that stamp on it, it was off grade otherwise it would have been a shame. This is the only stamped card that I own, a real neat 1977 Topps Pete LaCock print error ruined by the stamp.

[David W]

Darrel Chaney "Green Tint"
Brant Alyea "Spot on left eye"
Jim Nash "Red spot on hat"
Phil Gagliano "Partial blackout on team, name and infield"
Bobby Valentine "Psychadelic blurred version"

[Sliphorn]

We are all familiar with the copyright vs. NO copyright on this one. A late discovery is the card with a blue slash at the lower left side. I just bought an extra version of it and found that the blue slash was on a COPYRIGHT PRESENT version while the others were on the NO copyright version. Therefore, this is a mystery as to how the slash, an obvious error, appears on both versions of the copyright.

[ALR-bishop]

Neat discovery Thomas. Similar to the 52 House yellow tiger showing up on regular and gray back cards. Seems to be a cropping differences on the two you just posted too

[Sliphorn]

Originally Posted by Sliphorn

We are all familiar with the copyright vs. NO copyright on this one. A late discovery is the card with a blue slash at the lower left side. I just bought an extra version of it and found that the blue slash was on a COPYRIGHT PRESENT version while the others were on the NO copyright version. Therefore, this is a mystery as to how the slash, an obvious error, appears on both versions of the copyright.

What cropping can you see on this pair? This is a scan showing only the no copyright with and without slash. I did not bother to include the two versions WITH the copyright for now. Thanks.

[Collectorsince62]

I was pleasantly surprised to see the "asterisk Life" version of the '55T Wehmeier in my set. I wish it had better centering, but certainly not unusual for that set. I don't look for this variation since I only recently became aware of it, but a quick check of recent auction results doesn't show it coming up very often. For those of you who follow variations closer than me, how tough is this one?

[ALR-bishop]

Thomas-- the insignia on his uniform seems to drop more below the bottom border on one version

[swarmee]

No *Life Wehmeiers out of the 50 currently for sale on COMC.

[mrmopar]

I have a Wills buyback with the circle. I didn't recall picking it up, but came across it the other day.

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

I saw a 1978 Topps Bump Wills Black Circle error card a few years ago with that stamp on it, it was off grade otherwise it would have been a shame. This is the only stamped card that I own, a real neat 1977 Topps Pete LaCock print error ruined by the stamp.

[Sliphorn]

Originally Posted by Collectorsince62

I was pleasantly surprised to see the "asterisk Life" version of the '55T Wehmeier in my set. I wish it had better centering, but certainly not unusual for that set. I don't look for this variation since I only recently became aware of it, but a quick check of recent auction results doesn't show it coming up very often. For those of you who follow variations closer than me, how tough is this one?

This is VERY rare, but not impossible. It also is known due to the truncated diamond in the logo on the front and no dot over the i in his name. Good catch!

[ALR-bishop]

The logo issue is similar to the also tough Robinson. Since most sellers ( COMC and Dean's aside) don't often give back scans I found Herm easier to locate by looking for the truncated logo. But both are scarce, and maybe true variations

[Sliphorn]

I have scanned all versions of this. In the obverse photo, the NO copyright versions are on the right. In the reverse photo, the slap present versions are on the right. I have seen at least five of these for sale on eBay at some point. A few have now started going for lower prices, perhaps since more are there.

[ALR-bishop]

Thanks for posting them Thomas

[Cliff Bowman]

It looks to me like the second one with the blue stripe was printed slightly out of register with the black border line, that’s why it appear to have cropping differences.

[ALR-bishop]

Good point, Cliff

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Sliphorn

I have scanned all versions of this. In the obverse photo, the NO copyright versions are on the right. In the reverse photo, the slap present versions are on the right. I have seen at least five of these for sale on eBay at some point. A few have now started going for lower prices, perhaps since more are there.

Thanks for sharing these, thought I was looking for only one blue stripe Papai, guess I need 2 now!

[JollyElm]

This one depends entirely on how crazy you are into print errors, but while looking at high number 1972 Joe Morgans on-line lately, this thing jumped out at me. Since I've seen a bunch of different ones now, it is definitely a recurring defect.

Take a look at the 'T' in "TRADED." On the lower right side there is a large round anomaly. With the color seemingly matching the dirt appearing behind it, it's possible this is a 'missing piece of a letter' variation. Sort of a poor man's (which is a joke, because this 'Traded' card is always expensive) 1967 Ed Spiezio. Either that or it is a fisheye...

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[ALR-bishop]

Good one. I have some Traded or Update variants but not that many. Maybe because fewer people collect them and look for them ?

[savedfrommyspokes]

Are these three cards "true" white letter variations??

[JollyElm]

As Bobby sang, "Sunshine daydream..."

[swarmee]

You can see the yellow in the blue fields behind the name. All look intentionally sun-bleached to me.

Compare to:

1969 Topps - [Base] #461.2 - Mike Epstein (White Last Name) [Good*to*VG‑EX]
Courtesy of COMC.com

Entirety of circle is green, since it got the yellow and blue color passes (as we know from the old Ziploc commercials)...

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by swarmee

You can see the yellow in the blue fields behind the name. All look intentionally sun-bleached to me.

Compare to:

1969 Topps - [Base] #461.2 - Mike Epstein (White Last Name) [Good*to*VG‑EX]
Courtesy of COMC.com

Entirety of circle is green, since it got the yellow and blue color passes (as we know from the old Ziploc commercials)...

My first thought too was that these three cards were indeed sunbleached, however, the red in the Epstein hat insignia is not faded in any way nor is the orange in Marshall's insignia....normally the red is more prone to fading than the yellow(perhaps with 69s, yellow fades quicker than red). In hand, these 3 cards appear to have missed the yellow pass on the upper portion of the card. As you indicate each "green" circle has varying amounts of blue which would indicate the lack of yellow in the blue portions. A true "white letter" card would have a solid green circle as do the WL copies in my set.


None of these cards appear on the same row of their un-cut sheet which could explain why there are varying levels of missing yellow from the top down part of the card.

[ALR-bishop]

I know there have been scans of the 66 Landrum with button, no button, some button, different buttons, but did not realize ( maybe I am the only one) that Claude Raymond's 66 (586) and 67 (364) show him with zipper down or showing. Uncorrected as far as I know. It is highlighted in the latest issue of SCD

[kdixon]

Rare 1954 Bowman Carl Erskine loop variation.

[ALR-bishop]

Good one. Lemke highlighted it sometime back in an SCD article on "new" variations

[kdixon]

They don't come up very often. One on ebay now for $915.

[ALR-bishop]

Glad I got mine right after the article. I wonder what actual sales have been

Lemke also pointed out a companion defect on the Preacher Roe card, 218, do you have that one ? Had to look awhile for that one too

http://boblemke.blogspot.com/2009/11...3-another.html


Not sure if Cliff does 54 Bowmans but if so could probably trace it all out :-)

[4reals]

I love those! The Roe seems to be more available and can also be found with a dark loop and a faint loop. The Erskine is definitely more prominent with the double loops and may be why more collectors have gobbled them up over the years.


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[kdixon]

I don’t have Roe . I would take $300 if anyone had interest . Thanks

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Not sure if Cliff does 54 Bowmans but if so could probably trace it all out :-)

I have somewhere between 5 to 10 of them, but I think only one or two of them are high grade. I looked for them heavily when they were introduced on Lemke’s site years ago and surprisingly found quite a few of them but they were almost always off grade. It eventually fell off of my search list, I can’t remember the last time I looked for one.

[Cliff Bowman]

Well, I have at least six of them that I could find, but they are in much better condition than I remembered, which is a good thing.

[ALR-bishop]

So not rare. Scarce? If not a DP how did the Erskine and Rowe occur ?

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

So not rare. Scarce? If not a DP how did the Erskine and Rowe occur ?

Remember, they printed a bunch of rounds for this set, because there are so many stat errors. They may be unique to one round of stat errors.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

So not rare. Scarce? If not a DP how did the Erskine and Rowe occur ?

Definitely not rare but I would go with scarce. The Erskine and Roe loop cards are print flaws that contain part of the facsimile signatures of the cards above them, I forget who is above Roe but I know Jackie Jensen was above the Erskine, those are the bottoms of the big loops from the J’s in Jensen’s signature that wound up at the top of the Erskine card. I would assume that the Erskine was corrected very early in the first printing.

[ALR-bishop]

It was a chore collecting all the error and correction cards, if only because many were so minor. Maybe John is right it was detected and corrected early with the other errors. But I would guess the error and corrected cards are both more plentiful than these, right ?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

It was a chore collecting all the error and correction cards, if only because many were so minor. Maybe John is right it was detected and corrected early with the other errors. But I would guess the error and corrected cards are both more plentiful than these, right ?

It was definitely corrected very early in the first printing, none of the other 1954 Bowman error/variations are anywhere near as scarce as the Erskine loops card.

[aronbenabe]

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[swarmee]

Originally Posted by aronbenabe

Giant sized 1968 Topps card of Orlando Pena

What are we supposed to be looking at? Blemish on the collar?

[aronbenabe]

The first name is supposed to be in black, as it is on all cards in this set.


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[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by aronbenabe

The first name is supposed to be in black, as it is on all cards in this set.


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Light printing of a specific color, in this case black, is common .... if there was missing print versus light print, than that would be uncommon, IMO.

[ALR-bishop]

blacklessing ?

[aronbenabe]

Saved From My Spokes,

Thanks for your response, but i beg to differ. Firstly, this is a sliver color, not an expert but it seems to be at the opposite spectrum of black. Second, I’ve probably seen over 10,000 Topps 1968 cards in my adulthood and never came across another one from that set....it seems indeed quite rare.


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[bnorth]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Light printing of a specific color, in this case black, is common .... if there was missing print versus light print, than that would be uncommon, IMO.

I agree. The border also has the same light printing.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by aronbenabe

Saved From My Spokes,

Thanks for your response, but i beg to differ. Firstly, this is a sliver color, not an expert but it seems to be at the opposite spectrum of black. Second, I’ve probably seen over 10,000 Topps 1968 cards in my adulthood and never came across another one from that set....it seems indeed quite rare.


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OK...I wasn't aware that silver was one of the four colors used in the printing process. In my experience, it is not uncommon for sheets being printed by Topps to be printed when one of the four ink colors were running low during the printing process producing a lighter than expected appearance of what was printed.

Light black print, or any light print from any of the other three primary colors is common.... occurrences of such would not be considered "quite rare". Overall print quality with 68s in regards to color levels, IMO, is better than other years.

Not really big into light print anomalies, but here are few "light" and missing print anomalies which I more enjoy. The 68 Schofield card appears to have the same lightness in it's black print as your Pena card. The Ricketts has both missing and low ink. The Marichal has low red ink as does the 80 Hassey card. The 82 Ozzie has low black ink as do many other cards from the 82 set. The 73 FB card is missing an entire color ....

[ALR-bishop]