Anyone ever see a Topps Xmas cello rack pack with different years cards?

[hockeyhockey]

has anyone ever pulled a good card in the middle of these christmas rack packs? the ones with stars on top are obviously buyer beware, but always curious if anyone ever found something legit inside.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by hockeyhockey

has anyone ever pulled a good card in the middle of these christmas rack packs? the ones with stars on top are obviously buyer beware, but always curious if anyone ever found something legit inside.

All are buyer beware, these are all frauds created by con men. You are not going to get anything good from one of these.

[cardsagain74]

Speaking of secondary market packaged fun w/ diluted value, I wonder if anyone ever pulled the '52 T Mantle (or even the Mathews) that are supposed to be hidden somewhere in those recent Universal Treasures/Vintage Card Treasures packs?

Just about italicized "supposed to be"....

[chalupacollects]

For what it is worth I have a 55 Christmas rack pack I purchased from Mark Murphy way back that has Willie Mays on the back center...

[stlcardsfan]

There was an EBay seller of rack packs years ago that had the back of a Mathews showing on a 52 pack. It was in his about me section and was not for sale, although he had several other 52 packs for sale. I was watching his auctions for a while and they were going for very high dollars.

[MikeGarcia]

Originally Posted by chalupacollects

For what it is worth I have a 55 Christmas rack pack I purchased from Mark Murphy way back that has Willie Mays on the back center...

.. " The Kid !!".....there's a name from ancient history --- I remember reading about the warehouse fire and the loss of several billion dollars worth of unopened 1986 Topps , Fleer , and Score packs , boxes , and cases......the X-Mas rack packs praise da lawd somehow escaped the fire........ I bought my X-Mas rack pack from " Mop Boy Melvin"......anybody remember him ??

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[ALR-bishop]

I posted the Murphy team input earlier in the thread. No one I ever heard of, including Murphy, claimed these were Topps packaged products or that they were pristine cards. And you could always see most of the cards and their condition top and bottom yourself if the scans were any good. And there is no doubt they are still being produced to this day.

I have said this before, the intrigue to me was whether these were actually ever packaged by a third party and sold at retail, and if so where and when. Murphy and his partner could not or would answer that question. Some have speculated ( likely sellers) that the cards were first packaged and sold at retail in the 60s. Others have said 70s or 80s or 90s. It would only matter if some were originally packaged in the 60s or 70s, because then some of the middle cards could be stars given their lesser value in those times.

But I have never heard a credible story of someone saying they bought these packs in the 60s or 70s at a specific retail store. And despite internet advice on how you can tell older packaged packs ( staples and positioning of the decorations and such), I have never felt I could readily ascertain the difference to those being marketed now from those Murphy sold. Maybe other can

Murphy's partner, see above note, did say their original find/purchase of these involved only packs from 53 to 63.

They continue to interest me because it has never been shown for sure when these things originated for the first time and if they were ever really sold at retail. A hobby mystery of sorts that I find fascinating.