1966 Topps High's - Any uncut sheets or partial sheets known?

[Kevvyg1026]

The 7th series cards whose positions are still unknown are: 517, 523, 528, 531, 532, 538, 541, 549, 552, 553, 556, 566, 569, 570, 576, 582, 583, 586, 587, 590, 592, 595, 597, & 598.

However, as mentioned before, I strongly suspect that the sequence 582, 597, 592, 549 is in the Taylor row (because of the non SP designations and POP reports). I also suspect that the sequence 598, 583, 569 is in row C (headed by Hoerner) with 595 (under 598) and 523 (under 583) in row D (headed by Taylor

Furthermore, I speculate that 517 (W. Sox checklist) is at end of row B (Perranowski) or row C (Hoerner) because it was also printed in the 6th series printing and should therefore be in a SP row plus the checklist historically appeared near the top of one of the half-sheets (slits).

Based on what we know with certainty, Davis (535), Adair (533), Northrup (554), Williams (580), McCovey (550), and Roberts (571) probably do not deserve the SP designation that current price guides provide whereas 563 (Tovar rc), 527 (Navarro), 539 (Astros RC), and 588 (A's rookies) should be designate as SPs.

[bb66]

Tip of the cap to Kevvyg for the amazing stat-detective work.Really enjoyed watching this unfold. Also, to Cliff for all the critical discoveries and pictures of the miscuts.Thanks. JollyElm that is a great visual for me on that sheet/slit--puts it all on display.And to all the others for their great input ,too.This thread has been my favorite from the beginning.Appreciate everyone!

[Kevvyg1026]

Does any one know what that broken line is at the top of the Sadowski card?1966_523_top.jpg

[BillP]

My opinion is that there is a half sheet with selected rows: Northrup, Salmon, Taylor at least on it and that on that sheet the row with Sadowski is on the top.

bill

[Kevvyg1026]

That is what I was thinking. I have previously speculated that the pattern used was
(Recall A = Northrup row, B = Perranowski row, C =Hoerner row, etc.)
Slit A: A, B, C, D, E, A, F, G, B, C, D, E
Slit B: D, E, A, F, G, B, C, D, E, A, F, G

In a recent post, I speculated that row D contained 595, 523, 582, 597, 592, 549 based on both POP data, as well as some miscut information.

If that Sadowski image is at top of sheet, that would be consistent with my row D speculation and the earlier row configurations on the two slits. It's not proof, but at least it is consistent.

[BillP]

I agree with your slit line up. I think that the 3 rows 4 times and 4 rows 3 times makes sense. I also would submit relative to cards 591 and 540, which according to this are the bottom 2 cards on the B slit model that these cards were highly open to damage at the production level.
When you think about the 7th series cards that command premiums somewhat without star power, 591 561 562 544 and maybe 540 and 590 come to mind.
So is it possible that either slit was produced in a different quantity that the other? With miscuts being in packs, the quality control aspect at that time may have been not as much a focus.
Surprised that when the Topps vault opened that some strips were not made available to help in this interesting effort.

Last one, why is the Piersall 565 always offcut. L to R or diamond. It's not on the border.....

Bill

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by BillP

I agree with your slit line up. I think that the 3 rows 4 times and 4 rows 3 times makes sense. I also would submit relative to cards 591 and 540, which according to this are the bottom 2 cards on the B slit model that these cards were highly open to damage at the production level.
When you think about the 7th series cards that command premiums somewhat without star power, 591 561 562 544 and maybe 540 and 590 come to mind.
So is it possible that either slit was produced in a different quantity that the other? With miscuts being in packs, the quality control aspect at that time may have been not as much a focus.
Surprised that when the Topps vault opened that some strips were not made available to help in this interesting effort.

Last one, why is the Piersall 565 always offcut. L to R or diamond. It's not on the border.....

Bill

It's safe to assume each slit was printed in the same quantity as the A and B slits were printed on the same master sheet. What happened during transport from the printers (two trips with backs going to lithographers from a first printer, then to Topps), cutting and packaging operations though probably explains more about many short prints than the sheet/slit arrays, especially in a 4/3 3/4 A/B setup. Edge and corner cards were vulnerable to damage and miscuts but there are casualties within the middle of the sheets that must have happened during cutting and packaging. Some type of cutting pattern most likely had outsize influence.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by BillP

I agree with your slit line up. I think that the 3 rows 4 times and 4 rows 3 times makes sense. I also would submit relative to cards 591 and 540, which according to this are the bottom 2 cards on the B slit model that these cards were highly open to damage at the production level.
When you think about the 7th series cards that command premiums somewhat without star power, 591 561 562 544 and maybe 540 and 590 come to mind.
So is it possible that either slit was produced in a different quantity that the other? With miscuts being in packs, the quality control aspect at that time may have been not as much a focus.
Surprised that when the Topps vault opened that some strips were not made available to help in this interesting effort.

Last one, why is the Piersall 565 always offcut. L to R or diamond. It's not on the border.....

Bill

If all the hard cards were printed on the same row, then you could suspect that row was printed twice. However that doesn't appear to be the case. It seems demand issues or production problems due to sheet placement. Hoerner and Jackson are on the end of rows. Could Perry or Tigers Team be on the end of a row too?