Crazy uncles

[CJDave]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

So Aaron sold $750k worth of your stuff for only $250k? Do you think you will see the $250k at least?

Hi Robert,

So in answer to your question from some time back...…..it is now approx. a month since the auction close and I have yet to see a dime !!!

It says in writing that I would be paid immediately. Just another nail in the proverbial coffin !!!

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by CJDave

Hi Robert,

So in answer to your question from some time back...…..it is now approx. a month since the auction close and I have yet to see a dime !!!

It says in writing that I would be paid immediately. Just another nail in the proverbial coffin !!!

I heard he hired a dump truck to hold all the pennies and you should see you consignor payoff in about an hour on your front lawn.

Get a shovel and some wheelbarrows ready.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by CJDave

Hi Robert,

So in answer to your question from some time back...…..it is now approx. a month since the auction close and I have yet to see a dime !!!

It says in writing that I would be paid immediately. Just another nail in the proverbial coffin !!!

I recently sold a large collection of GU bats and payment took about 7 weeks. It was not a problem because I was in no hurry and the amount was under $15k, plus communication with the AH was excellent.

After an auction closes, it can take a few weeks for all bidders to pay, another week for the last payments to clear, a week to get the items delivered to the winners, and then most reputable AHs allow a week or two for the winners to return an item, if it was misrepresented.

So I think expecting the money after just 4 weeks from auction close might not be realistic. However, there is NO excuse for poor communication, especially considering the dollar amount you're dealing with.

Good luck!!

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Mark17

So I think expecting the money after just 4 weeks from auction close might not be realistic. However, there is NO excuse for poor communication, especially considering the dollar amount you're dealing with.

Good luck!!

It's a simple formula really, do what you say you're going to do. If you say it may be 4 to 6 weeks then great I'll wait 4 to 6 weeks. If you say 5 days then it had better be 5 days because I'm likely counting on it.

FWIW our contracts are 14 business days.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by Mark17

I recently sold a large collection of GU bats and payment took about 7 weeks. It was not a problem because I was in no hurry and the amount was under $15k, plus communication with the AH was excellent.

After an auction closes, it can take a few weeks for all bidders to pay, another week for the last payments to clear, a week to get the items delivered to the winners, and then most reputable AHs allow a week or two for the winners to return an item, if it was misrepresented.

So I think expecting the money after just 4 weeks from auction close might not be realistic. However, there is NO excuse for poor communication, especially considering the dollar amount you're dealing with.

Good luck!!

Any AH that took 7 weeks to pay me would quickly be crossed off my list.

[CJDave]

Originally Posted by Mark17

I recently sold a large collection of GU bats and payment took about 7 weeks. It was not a problem because I was in no hurry and the amount was under $15k, plus communication with the AH was excellent.

After an auction closes, it can take a few weeks for all bidders to pay, another week for the last payments to clear, a week to get the items delivered to the winners, and then most reputable AHs allow a week or two for the winners to return an item, if it was misrepresented.

So I think expecting the money after just 4 weeks from auction close might not be realistic. However, there is NO excuse for poor communication, especially considering the dollar amount you're dealing with.

Good luck!!

Normally I would agree with that but I was told 14 days. It is double that now. No communication or anything. REA communicated with me, acted professionally and paid 6 figures in less than 30 days. LOTG communicated with me, acted professionally and paid 6 figures in less than 30 days. Crazy Uncle........well you know !!!

ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE FOR THIS !!!

[Tao_Moko]

Originally Posted by CJDave

Normally I would agree with that but I was told 14 days. It is double that now. No communication or anything. REA communicated with me, acted professionally and paid 6 figures in less than 30 days. LOTG communicated with me, acted professionally and paid 6 figures in less than 30 days. Crazy Uncle........well you know !!!

ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE FOR THIS !!!

One thing I learned early in life is that every decision you make is an OODA Loop. There's "no excuse" for you working with them a second time. This complaining is void of personal responsibility regardless of the lip service. These people clearly run a sh*t sandwich shack but you came back for seconds and ordered the full menu. There is an excuse for their behaviour and that is they don't care about you, your stuff or your business. Get in the fight man. Lawyer up, hire some goons, take action. Complaining will only get you more sh*t sandwiches.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko

One thing I learned early in life is that every decision you make is an OODA Loop. There's "no excuse" for you working with them a second time. This complaining is void of personal responsibility regardless of the lip service. These people clearly run a sh*t sandwich shack but you came back for seconds and ordered the full menu. There is an excuse for their behaviour and that is they don't care about you, your stuff or your business. Get in the fight man. Lawyer up, hire some goons, take action. Complaining will only get you more sh*t sandwiches.

That's crazy, I know for a fact Dave doesn't even like bread.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko

One thing I learned early in life is that every decision you make is an OODA Loop. There's "no excuse" for you working with them a second time. This complaining is void of personal responsibility regardless of the lip service. These people clearly run a sh*t sandwich shack but you came back for seconds and ordered the full menu. There is an excuse for their behaviour and that is they don't care about you, your stuff or your business. Get in the fight man. Lawyer up, hire some goons, take action. Complaining will only get you more sh*t sandwiches.

+1 (kind of). Dave, you got seriously screwed. But with everything that’s happened and the dollars at stake, I don’t understand why your actions have been limited to posting complaints here. It’s a good start, but it seems awfully disproportionate. I would have called the state AG, filed a lawsuit, reached out to media publications (not just Net54), and the least, found out where the business is located and showed up in person to get my money and the hundred of thousands of dollars of items they still have. I am rooting for you, but I can’t understand how relatively relaxed you seem about all this. I would be going ape shit

[Rich Klein]

Has anyone noticed Dave has not given his full name as per board rules.

Rich

[MikeGarcia]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Has anyone noticed Dave has not given his full name as per board rules.

Rich

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..at the bottom of his first post = Dave Ostrove , Long Island , New York....

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[CJDave]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

+1 (kind of). Dave, you got seriously screwed. But with everything that’s happened and the dollars at stake, I don’t understand why your actions have been limited to posting complaints here. It’s a good start, but seems awfully disproportionate. I would be called the state AG, file a lawsuit, reach out to media publications (not just Net54), and the least, find out where the business is and showing person to get my money and the hundred of thousands of dollars of items they still have. I am rooting for you, but I can’t understand how relatively relaxed you seem about all this. I would be going apeshit

With all due respect to everyone.....all are assuming because I haven't shared my legal course of action, that there is none.....trust me there is. I just don't want to give too much of the legal plan as it could hurt my case.....kinda like the Astros stealing signs.....why give the other side a heads up as to the pitch I'm about to throw.....and CU will have pitches thrown at them (and before Aaron says that was a threat to cause bodily injury.....it's only an expression and an analogy).

I've said it before, the purpose of my posts are to warn people and to educate people that there may be despicable and dishonest AHs and despicable and dishonest people who run AHs out there.

Not looking for any help, I have a team handling that. Just wanted to share my story.

[Jeff_cvc]

I’ve been following this thread from the beginning as I find it informative and frankly I’m just curious to see more twists and turns until the conclusion finally happens. Kind of like reading a decent novel. Unfortunately, this involves real people with real feelings and real live’s at stake. By no means do I want to minimize the impact this has on all parties involved.

With that said, I do not understand the bashing that the OP receives from some board members. Would I have given the AH another opportunity, definitely not. But would I judge Dave from where I sit, definitely not. How can I judge someone when I am not in their shoes and do not have his experiences and past history at my fingertips. What I do know is that Dave has an incredible collection that I financially am not anywhere near. My collection is pennies to his dollars (but I do love my collection ). Apparently, Dave has made some pretty damn good decisions in his past to be where he is now. Maybe by showing compassion in his past business dealings have benefited him?? This time it didn’t, but who am I to judge. What I do know is he got screwed as I have not heard from the other side. For me, I have compassion for the crap that he’s been through, nobody deserves that, regardless of any perceived poor decisions. It’s like blaming the victim for making poor choices, it still does not justify the crime.

Anyhow, those are my two cents, now back to the originally scheduled program.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by CJDave

Normally I would agree with that but I was told 14 days. It is double that now. No communication or anything. REA communicated with me, acted professionally and paid 6 figures in less than 30 days. LOTG communicated with me, acted professionally and paid 6 figures in less than 30 days. Crazy Uncle........well you know !!!

ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE FOR THIS !!!

Over/under on them not having all of it because some bidders weren't real?

[CJDave]

Originally Posted by Mark17

I recently sold a large collection of GU bats and payment took about 7 weeks. It was not a problem because I was in no hurry and the amount was under $15k, plus communication with the AH was excellent.

After an auction closes, it can take a few weeks for all bidders to pay, another week for the last payments to clear, a week to get the items delivered to the winners, and then most reputable AHs allow a week or two for the winners to return an item, if it was misrepresented.

So I think expecting the money after just 4 weeks from auction close might not be realistic. However, there is NO excuse for poor communication, especially considering the dollar amount you're dealing with.

Good luck!!

Hi Mark,

So I know you mentioned some time back that getting paid in 4 weeks might be unrealistic and from your past experiences it took as long as 7 weeks but with excellent communication. Now I have dealt with REA and LOTG, both extremely professional, both communicated with me throughout and both paid within 4 weeks (and both six figures). Now with Crazy Uncle I am at the 5-6 week point, no money, no communication, missing many $100Ks worth of items that were never returned, etc. etc. etc...…..would you agree I should start to be concerned?

[Yoda]

Dave, I have dealt with many auction houses over many years and have never seen anything so pathetic, bordering on criminal, than these guys. Perhaps your next step should be to pay them a visit, if you can find them, packing heat(bad joke). Your investment with these guys is significant, as I hardly need to mention. Hope they haven't pulled up stakes and are sitting on a beach in Brazil.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Dave, I have dealt with many auction houses over many years and have never seen anything so pathetic, bordering on criminal, than these guys. Perhaps your next step should be to pay them a visit, if you can find them, packing heat(bad joke). Your investment with these guys is significant, as I hardly need to mention. Hope they haven't pulled up stakes and are sitting on a beach in Brazil.

If they did it could be bad news for those associated with them? Who are these "elite" collectors? Maybe Dave should try and contact Ryan Spence who is the only other name on their website.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

CJDave I would seriously consider paying Delaware's fee and seeing what names are behind the company. It was only like $35 or something. If it's Aaron then you know that he's your target. If it's anyone else it gives you someone else to try and reason with.

[MCyganik]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

CJDave I would seriously consider paying Delaware's fee and seeing what names are behind the company. It was only like $35 or something. If it's Aaron then you know that he's your target. If it's anyone else it gives you someone else to try and reason with.

I think quite a few people on this thread would pitch in a few bucks to make this happen just for the entertainment value alone. I would be very curious to see if Aaron actually has anyone else listed. Maybe some relatives?

[CJDave]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

CJDave I would seriously consider paying Delaware's fee and seeing what names are behind the company. It was only like $35 or something. If it's Aaron then you know that he's your target. If it's anyone else it gives you someone else to try and reason with.

I did attempt to go through Delaware to get this information. Normally Officer and Director names and addresses are maintained on the images of the annual reports and you can order the annual reports BUT Alternative entities (Limited Liability Companies, Limited Partnerships, and General Partnerships) do not currently file annual reports. Annual reports are required for domestic and foreign corporations only. And of course they are an LLC (CRAZY UNCLE AUCTIONS LLC).

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by CJDave

Hi Mark,

So I know you mentioned some time back that getting paid in 4 weeks might be unrealistic and from your past experiences it took as long as 7 weeks but with excellent communication. Now I have dealt with REA and LOTG, both extremely professional, both communicated with me throughout and both paid within 4 weeks (and both six figures). Now with Crazy Uncle I am at the 5-6 week point, no money, no communication, missing many $100Ks worth of items that were never returned, etc. etc. etc...…..would you agree I should start to be concerned?

Without question you should be concerned. No doubt.

In my case I have dealt with the guy before, he's local, been around a long time, and as I said, never a problem with communication. I add up the time he allows winners to pay, the time shipping takes, his policy of allowing returns under certain circumstances, and I conclude his timelines are reasonable and acceptable to me.

That was my only point - that an auction house consignment isn't as quick as a simple ebay/paypal transaction.

I think you have a very serious problem and the non-communication is the loudest warning siren. I wish you luck.