1929 - 1930 R315 Anonymous Issue 1933 Maybe?

[brianp-beme]

Nice catch Todd concerning Shawkey being identified in Type B cards as Manager. I was wondering why he was included since he stopped playing in 1927. So it seems like he was let go as manager of the Yankees shortly after the 1930 season ended. So perhaps the Type B cards were first issued in 1930, and then had a second run perhaps later in 1930 or in 1931.

And looking at the Old Cardboard site I realized that the Smead Jolley card with the print on border is not actually Type B, but Type D (because it does not have the white box).

Boy this set is more complicated than I imagined...I better back out before all of this freezes me up like a deer in the headlights.

Brian

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Nice catch Todd concerning Shawkey being identified in Type B cards as Manager. I was wondering why he was included since he stopped playing in 1927. So it seems like he was let go as manager of the Yankees shortly after the 1930 season ended. So perhaps the Type B cards were first issued in 1930, and then had a second run perhaps later in 1930 or in 1931.

And looking at the Old Cardboard site I realized that the Smead Jolley card with the print on border is not actually Type B, but Type D (because it does not have the white box).

Boy this set is more complicated than I imagined...I better back out before all of this freezes me up like a deer in the headlights.

Brian

Yes Brian, there is a lot that remains confusing about the R315 set. There were two printings of Type B&D, as is apparent from the two O’Douls that Dan showed at the beginning of this thread. You will find that several of the players can be found with their positions identified as “Fielder” on some cards and the specific position on others, and the font or typeset on that bottom line of position/team can vary somewhat in appearance and/or placement on the card. It may be that the original design of photo and info within the photo frame were produced and distributed, and then later other publishers printed the info below the photo on the bottom line.

Oddly, the set is now generally considered to have been issued in 1929-30, two years when Lefty O’Doul played in Philadelphia, but the R315 set manages to caption him as playing for his 1928 and 1931 teams only. Seems the set failed to catch the off-season 1928 trade and was quick to spot the off-season 1930 trade.

[spec]

O'Doul won the NL batting title in 1929 with a .398 average for the Phillies and hit .383 for them the following year. If they were updating team affiliations, it seems strange he would have escaped notice.

[leftygrove10]

Did any of the players in the R315 set have two different variations where the team name under the player's name was changed? I was wondering if the picture, player name and team within the border of the picture stayed constant throughout all the years that the R315 cards were printed and the only thing that they changed with the new print runs was the text in the bottom border. That might explain why "Giants" still appears below O'Doul's name and "Brooklyn" appears within the text at the bottom. For whatever reason, maybe it was not possible or two difficult to change the name of the team within the border with the new print runs.

I have a set of these cards. For the versions of my cards where there is text at the bottom, the team name at the bottom is consistent with the team name within the border of the picture.