eBay Seller Return Scam

[Kleepernop]

Originally Posted by toledo_mudhen

Just curious - Once you got the card - how did you then determine it was a fake? I'm looking at the listing and I don't see anything (like others) that says to me "This is a Fake!"

Well - except for the fact that it isn't in a TPG Slab and it appears to be a really strong EXMT. If real - a truly exceptional card.

Sure. When I received the card, it felt lighter than ‘33 Goudys. Looking at it sideways, the edge was way too white for a 87 year old card. The biggest give away was a slight gloss on the back. Also this may sound funny but it didn’t have the smell of an authentic.

My assessment was the same as yours, and I couldn’t tell for sure it was fake until I held it in my hand. As mentioned every time an eBay seller listed a fake card as original, I got my money back. I didn’t dream of this Seller’s scam.


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[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Kleepernop

Sure. When I received the card, it felt lighter than ‘33 Goudys. Looking at it sideways, the edge was way too white for a 87 year old card. The biggest give away was a slight gloss on the back. Also this may sound funny but it didn’t have the smell of an authentic.

My assessment was the same as yours, and I couldn’t tell for sure it was fake until I held it in my hand. As mentioned every time an eBay seller listed a fake card as original, I got my money back. I didn’t dream of this Seller’s scam.


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i fsomeone is trying to sell a fake card as real how can you not dream of a scam being likely...i would consider that variable within the realm of possibility and certainly could dream/nightmare that option.

[1952boyntoncollector]

You can buy 100 fake babe ruth repros

dirty them a bit..say you are listing them as reprint because you are not an expert..can also say got them in grandpa basement or from a older church going member etc and no time to submit to PSA because need money now

you will get 10 bucks or so probably...and they probably cost 2 dollars....5x profit not bad

[sportscomicfantasy]

I don't blame you for going after non-graded cards and it seems like you have done well with it in the past. If you end up losing on this one, it doesn't seem like from what your saying it will kill you financially. Like a previous comment, I don't like to see the scammer win, so I wish you luck in getting your money back. Ebay should side with you, but... I am thinking someone like this will take scans of another fake and send it to them to show you sent a different card back to him.

In the future, I would scan the card before you send it back if you have a problem with another card in the future. You deal in much more expensive cards than I do, so I might even take a video of packaging the item and addressing it to send it back. Just a thought...

As for what to do, I agree with trying Ebay first, Paypal second, and then the mail fraud. Or you could try emailing the guy and just state what you're going to do and see if you can get him to cave. He might not care about his Ebay account but having a record on his Paypal account he may not like. Also, I know from experience having a person do a Paypal dispute with me, put a hold on that amount of money in my Paypal account until it was resolved before I had more sales.(I sold a graded card and the guy sent it off to be grade by another company and it came back altered and he filed against me but I won as I should have) I would file a police report as well but doubt it would do much, but I still would.

I wish you luck.

[chalupacollects]

Would let the seller know you are filing with postal inspectors. Typically they don't mess around...

[vintagetoppsguy]

USPS should offer a paid service where you can open the package in front of one of their employees and they can document the contents. That way there is never any question about what was received.

If you buy an expensive item and you want to make sure you receive the exact item you purchased, you could use this service.

If you sell an expensive item and you want to make sure the buyer doesn't claim they received a different item than you sold, you could use this service.

It would protect the buyer and the seller.

It would be like any other postal service, paid at the time of postage. The recipient of the package would receive a note/email saying they have a package at the post office and would go in person to open the package and document its contents. Anyway, just a thought, but I believe it would stop a lot of the fraud.

[drcy]

I mailed a really expensive item once (a ring) where the UPS person checked the contents. Was no expert on rings so not an authentication service, but verified that it appeared to match up with the description.