eBay Seller Return Scam

[Kleepernop]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

You need to post the Seller's Ebay ID if you want others to avoid the same situation you are going through.

Ok I doubt you’ll see more listings from him but it’s micolve99.


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[buymycards]

Originally Posted by Kleepernop

Ok I doubt you’ll see more listings from him but it’s micolve99.


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That ID doesn't come up in an eBay search.

[bobbyw8469]

Came up for me. Feedback of ONE. THat should have been a huge red flag right there.

[bobbyw8469]

The one feedback was left by the OP. I really don't mean no disrespect, and I am not trying to pour salt on the wound, but doesn't an auction of a raw Babe Ruth Goudey from a zero feedback seller not raise any red flags?????

[bobbyw8469]

"1933 goudey babe ruth 53. Condition is Like New. Shipped with USPS First Class Package. The card was scanned on both sides ...very very beautiful condition and not a reprint...if you think its a reprint then its your loss honesty, with that said please mentioned my name as the founder of this card when you get it graded and asked were did you find this card is all i ask from the buyer...the edge's are flat on close exams with a mocrofineglass on all sides but top back and left back of the edge is light chips due to cutting from when it was manufactured and printed back in 1933 before distribution but flat perfect condition all around and sharp corners all around, Never Tampered with what so ever as you can see from the scan .i dont want to sell but i know i need to pass it on to someone that will have it graded to show the world how beautiful this card has been taken care of. I can say this for the owner of this very card..( PLEASE PLEASE TAKE THIS CARD AND NEVER LET IT OUT YOUR SIGHTS) I WISH I COULD AFFORD TO HAVE IT GRADED BUT GOD'S PLANS FOR ME AIN'T UPPER CLASS IN MY DAY'S.. MAYBE ON MY NEXT TIME IN LIFE I WILL BUT FOR NOW, THIS IS ALL I HAVE TO SHOW FOR. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO CHECK OUT MY PAGE PEOPLE...AND ..GOD BLESS!! Took a few more pictures even of its thickness and the ink bleeding through the back , you can see clearly red ink and babe ruths blue hat ink bleeding through the back also the yellow part does not line up to the red lower level just as all the originals do...magnifier revealed beautiful dotted ink colors...truly beautiful"

That was the auction description. It practically SCREAMS scam!!!!

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

"1933 goudey babe ruth 53. Condition is Like New. Shipped with USPS First Class Package. The card was scanned on both sides ...very very beautiful condition and not a reprint...if you think its a reprint then its your loss honesty, with that said please mentioned my name as the founder of this card when you get it graded and asked were did you find this card is all i ask from the buyer...the edge's are flat on close exams with a mocrofineglass on all sides but top back and left back of the edge is light chips due to cutting from when it was manufactured and printed back in 1933 before distribution but flat perfect condition all around and sharp corners all around, Never Tampered with what so ever as you can see from the scan .i dont want to sell but i know i need to pass it on to someone that will have it graded to show the world how beautiful this card has been taken care of. I can say this for the owner of this very card..( PLEASE PLEASE TAKE THIS CARD AND NEVER LET IT OUT YOUR SIGHTS) I WISH I COULD AFFORD TO HAVE IT GRADED BUT GOD'S PLANS FOR ME AIN'T UPPER CLASS IN MY DAY'S.. MAYBE ON MY NEXT TIME IN LIFE I WILL BUT FOR NOW, THIS IS ALL I HAVE TO SHOW FOR. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO CHECK OUT MY PAGE PEOPLE...AND ..GOD BLESS!! Took a few more pictures even of its thickness and the ink bleeding through the back , you can see clearly red ink and babe ruths blue hat ink bleeding through the back also the yellow part does not line up to the red lower level just as all the originals do...magnifier revealed beautiful dotted ink colors...truly beautiful"

That was the auction description. It practically SCREAMS scam!!!!

I couldn't even make my way all the way through the description. That is bad. I hope the OP gets his money back and has learned a lesson.

[Directly]

I would suggest in the future use your credit card to pay on larger purchases,

Two reasons your credit card will help if there is a issue and sometimes your credit card may receive cash rewards.

Just yesterday on Ebay their was a huge lot of graded prewar cards worth in the excess of $150,000 plus --asking 15,000? BIN--tempting to say the least, may be some one here noticed the listing!!
Zero feedback-yep too good to be true-the sold listing has since been removed and the user now not registered.

I believe if Paypal gets involved in a dispute Ebay will let them handle the case?

In either event I'm am sure you will be protected!

[perezfan]

Ebay should indeed side with you. I am confident you'll get your refund, even though it may take a few days.

Yes, buying raw cards can be risky unless you know what signs to look for. Hopefully this will serve as a good "learning moment" and a lesson not to rush into deals that look too good to be true. The seller's lack of feedback, questionable scans, overblown description (complete with with pre-built excuses), and references to God are all common red flags of a shady seller.

Once you learn what to avoid, the ability to move on becomes almost "automatic". I have made some of my very best purchases going raw, and a slab is by no means a guarantee of security, either. Thousands of altered, trimmed and recolored cards currently reside in numbered slabs. So hopefully you'll be made whole, and can feel confident going after both raw and graded cards moving forward.

We've all gotten burned at one time or another. And anyone who denies it is lying. The key is to learn from it.

Best of luck with the refund!

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Came up for me. Feedback of ONE. THat should have been a huge red flag right there.

Seller's ID didn't come up for me either. Can you post a link to the item? Thx!

[teza11]

Ouch. Quite a leap of faith on a very expensive card. Agree regarding the red flags. I also suspect shill bidding for y***z. Apparently at least 9 other bidders thought the card looked good enough.

Jeff

https://www.ebay.com/usr/micolve99?_...p2047675.l2559

[sportscardpete]

Paypal should be helpful in the event eBay doesn't side with you, though eBay would be foolish not side with you given the information provided.

As for buying a fake - it happens. There are a lot of fakes on eBay. Even the best get burned when buying an ungraded card. What payment type did you use with paypal? If it is linked to a CC you can have the CC company help out too. You will have a lot of defenses.