Slightly OT: Could the Braves and Indians be next?

[pclpads]

Welcome to the brave, new world of PC, where anybody and everybody can get their panties in a twist and take offense over anything - and everything - that possesses them. We can blame / trace all these proposed team name changes to the actions of that murderous, dumb ass, effing cop in Minneapolis. That was the so called straw that broke the camel's back. This is just an extension of that knee on the neck murder.

[Natswin2019]

Originally Posted by pclpads

Welcome to the brave, new world of PC, where anybody and everybody can get their panties in a twist and take offense over anything - and everything - that possesses them. We can blame / trace all these proposed team name changes to the actions of that murderous, dumb ass, effing cop in Minneapolis. That was the so called straw that broke the camel's back. This is just an extension of that knee on the neck murder.

They've been talking about changing the Redskins name in the DC area for probably the last 10 years at different levels of seriousness. It's not exactly a new topic of conversation for us at least.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Changing the Indians almost seems like a backfire of a move to me. Their name was changed from the Spiders informally at first (as often happened in the early days) to honor their best player Louis Sockalexis a Penobscot Indian and was later formally adopted by the team. I'd rather see more of an emphasis on honoring the man than forgetting what, in this case, is a positive history.

Redskins however is a derogatory term and I am all for changing it.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Changing the Indians almost seems like a backfire of a move to me. Their name was changed from the Spiders informally at first (as often happened in the early days) to honor their best player Louis Sockalexis a Penobscot Indian and was later formally adopted by the team. I'd rather see more of an emphasis on honoring the man than forgetting what, in this case, is a positive history.

The Sockalexis story has been discredited:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clevel...ce_of_the_name

[howard38]

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[Republicaninmass]

Scotch tape
..next on the list

Using a tartan?

[Beansballcardblog]

I knew I shouldn’t read this thread, yet I did.

Dang you, Rich! We gonna have to talk next time I see you!

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by howard38

Sockalexis was never close to being the best player on the team either.

You mean the guy who played less than half the team's games in 1897, while hitting 45 points below the team leader wasn't the team's best player? Maybe it was the 28 games of .236 hitting the next two years that sealed the deal.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by pclpads

Welcome to the brave, new world of PC, where anybody and everybody can get their panties in a twist and take offense over anything - and everything - that possesses them. We can blame / trace all these proposed team name changes to the actions of that murderous, dumb ass, effing cop in Minneapolis. That was the so called straw that broke the camel's back. This is just an extension of that knee on the neck murder.

How would you like to have all of your property confiscated by the government and be confined on a reservation and not allowed to leave? It has nothing to do with PC. Native Americans don’t want their names and imagery used by a group of people who has treated them poorly for 400 years. How about changing the name to the Washington Blackskins and have a white guy dressed up in black face on the sideline. Would that be ok?

[toppcat]

Spiders would be great, seems to be a possible pick so maybe....

[G1911]

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[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by G1911

I'm bothered by the inconsistency of the argument. If we want to be this sensitive about things, then the Vikings and Celtics need to change their names and logos too as they both feature racial stereotypes and caricatures. It's a very selective outrage mostly among people who don't seem to be watching these teams or were fans of them to begin with.

Further, that the Indians were named such in direct honor of a particular individual who was popular with the fans and his former teammates and now must cease to honor him and change their name to be PC strikes me as amusing.

If we try hard enough, we can be offended by anything, from the Cleveland Indians to statues of even famed abolitionists. I am not a fan of the broader cultural shift that one who claims offense becomes automatically right because they claimed offense, and it is expected that everyone else must share or express sympathy with their view or they are branded some kind of 'ist'.

You do realize that if a population isn't marginalized they don't care if you use them as a mascot or a nickname. It's not a double standard unless there's a double standard in how the group in question is treated in the first place. If Native Americans had no other complaints then there likely would be no issue with the nicknames. Unless you feel the Golden Girls was discriminatory I don't think there are many Norwegians in the Northern plains who feel they've been systemically victimized by society.

[Angyale]

Something to think about going back in history for a name.

Angyale

[G1911]

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[tjb1952tjb]

Originally Posted by G1911

I'm bothered by the inconsistency of the argument. If we want to be this sensitive about things, then the Vikings and Celtics need to change their names and logos too as they both feature racial stereotypes and caricatures. It's a very selective outrage mostly among people who don't seem to be watching these teams or were fans of them to begin with.

Further, that the Indians were named such in direct honor of a particular individual who was popular with the fans and his former teammates and now must cease to honor him and change their name to be PC strikes me as amusing.

If we try hard enough, we can be offended by anything, from the Cleveland Indians to statues of even famed abolitionists. I am not a fan of the broader cultural shift that one who claims offense becomes automatically right because they claimed offense, and it is expected that everyone else must share or express sympathy with their view or they are branded some kind of 'ist'.

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