I Think I've been scammed (Update to prior post)

[x2drich2000]

Originally Posted by swarmee

If you make an offer through the messages, and the seller responds with a direct offer, the listing price does not get updated. Another reason not to trust previous sale values on sold listing sites.

Thanks John, I assumed it slashed through the price like a normal best offer.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by x2drich2000

Thanks John, I assumed it slashed through the price like a normal best offer.

Looks like 130point.com has the correct sale information:
Item Title: 1953 Bowman Color Mickey Mantle PSA 2.5 New York Yankees Sharp Bright Photo
Sale Price: 895.00 USD
Best Offer Accepted Price: 675.00 USD

Sale Date: Sat 20 Jun 2020 07:35 PM

[swarmee]

Here's an earlier image from Probstein when it was sold for $645 at the end of March. Still no team bag/blurry picture.

So it's pretty much a lock the current seller bought it from the person who stole it/received it.

[Bigdaddy]

And here is the new listing of the same card:

Obviously the person that 'received/took delivery' of the card then moved it to a person (zyx1808) who buys/sells cards on Ebay. The only question in my mind (besides the identity of the receiver) is: was the card delivered to the wrong house by mistake or intentionally diverted? I think only the USPS could answer that one. I would start squeezing the zit from both sides - the USPS and zyx1808. Save all evidence you can (receipts, screen captures, emails, correspondences, etc.) and apply pressure.

Sorry that you are in this situation.

[Fred]

As a seller, all my packages have made it to the buyers (probably less than 50). As a buyer, I've had a few packages not make it (out of hundreds). I've also had the postal service lose 2 auctions payments in the past couple decades.

Is the postal service reliable? For the most part - yes, but those "misses" really stick out in my mind.

[swarmee]

Or you could file a police report in the city the seller lives in.

[Rhotchkiss]

Or the OP is really in on it and posts these two threads to give him an alibi..... I am just joking, but it would be a sweet move and/or something out of a movie with a plot twist.

On a serious note, this really sucks. I hope The OP gets his money back (or the card), and I hope all bad actors involved realize significant consequences.

[Tyruscobb]

The original seller, who is in Oregon, is established. He has 1,365 feedbacks. The seller has 100% positive feedback over the past 12 months. The USPS tracking information shows it delivered the card. My conclusion is that the original seller is legitimate. However, he should have requested a signature to receive the card. That purchase is too large not to require a signature.

The current seller, who is in New Jersey, is not that established. He only has 186 total feedbacks. He is selling your Mantle for $849.99. His next highest card is listed for just $49.99. I always find this scenario a little suspicious. However, it is not dispositive.

You live in NY. This seller lives in Flemington, NY, which is only an hour and 15 minutes from NY. I do not think this is a coincidence. He, a friend, or family member potentially received your card and he is now selling it. The other potential scenario is that he is a good-faith purchaser and purchased the card from the individual that mistakenly received your card.

The questions I have are: (1) when was the card shown as delivered? and (2) when did the current seller list the card?

The lower the days between the two events, the more likely the current seller is involved somehow. The reason is that the person who mistakenly received the card probably lives in NY, and likely near you. That person then has to list the card on some forum. He/she then has to have it delivered to NJ. Selling a card usually takes a few days. Furthermore, it usually takes a few days to receive the card once shipped.

If a week or more past between the two unknown dates then the current seller’s genuineness increases. However, if just a few days passed between the two unknown dates then I strongly question the current seller’s legitimacy. Nonetheless, the current seller knows how he received the card. He should have the seller’s identity. He is the mystery’s Rosetta Stone.

Reach out to him. If he has done nothing wrong, then he should assist you. If he tells you to go pound sand then this casts suspicion all over him. I would also try to search other different forums that cards are sold through. You may luck out and find the posting which you could use to trace the transaction.

I wish you the best of luck. This is an awful situation for you.

[teza11]

I see that the listing has been ended early by the second seller. There's a chance that he/she is trying to do the right thing. Good luck!

Jeff

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Tyruscobb

The original seller, who is in Oregon, is established. He has 1,365 feedbacks. The seller has 100% positive feedback over the past 12 months. The USPS tracking information shows it delivered the card. My conclusion is that the original seller is legitimate. However, he should have requested a signature to receive the card. That purchase is too large not to require a signature.

Because of coronavirus, no shipping companies are actually collecting/requiring signatures right now. They'll gladly take your cash if you pay for it, but they won't get the confirmation.

[Tyruscobb]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Because of coronavirus, no shipping companies are actually collecting/requiring signatures right now. They'll gladly take your cash if you pay for it, but they won't get the confirmation.

Even if true, it provides the original seller a safety net and valid argument/defense. If the USPS does not obtain the proper signature, wouldn’t the original seller/shipper have recourse against the USPS? The purpose for paying for and requiring a signature upon delivery is to avoid the very situation that occurred here.

[Seven]

Originally Posted by Tyruscobb

The original seller, who is in Oregon, is established. He has 1,365 feedbacks. The seller has 100% positive feedback over the past 12 months. The USPS tracking information shows it delivered the card. My conclusion is that the original seller is legitimate. However, he should have requested a signature to receive the card. That purchase is too large not to require a signature.

The current seller, who is in New Jersey, is not that established. He only has 186 total feedbacks. He is selling your Mantle for $849.99. His next highest card is listed for just $49.99. I always find this scenario a little suspicious. However, it is not dispositive.

You live in NY. This seller lives in Flemington, NY, which is only an hour and 15 minutes from NY. I do not think this is a coincidence. He, a friend, or family member potentially received your card and he is now selling it. The other potential scenario is that he is a good-faith purchaser and purchased the card from the individual that mistakenly received your card.

The questions I have are: (1) when was the card shown as delivered? and (2) when did the current seller list the card?

The lower the days between the two events, the more likely the current seller is involved somehow. The reason is that the person who mistakenly received the card probably lives in NY, and likely near you. That person then has to list the card on some forum. He/she then has to have it delivered to NJ. Selling a card usually takes a few days. Furthermore, it usually takes a few days to receive the card once shipped.

If a week or more past between the two unknown dates then the current seller’s genuineness increases. However, if just a few days passed between the two unknown dates then I strongly question the current seller’s legitimacy. Nonetheless, the current seller knows how he received the card. He should have the seller’s identity. He is the mystery’s Rosetta Stone.

Reach out to him. If he has done nothing wrong, then he should assist you. If he tells you to go pound sand then this casts suspicion all over him. I would also try to search other different forums that cards are sold through. You may luck out and find the posting which you could use to trace the transaction.

I wish you the best of luck. This is an awful situation for you.

The card was shown as delieved on Friday at 2:09. I did not receive it so I immediately went to the post office to find out where it was. They said that they didn't know an exact location, and the worker responsible wasn't there. I went to the branch manager and spoke to him, left my information, never heard anything from him.

The new listing which was taken down quickly was posted today I believe. I'm just really bummed out over this entire situation. I'm defintely going to be a lot more careful going forward of who I conduct deals with.

[Tyruscobb]

Originally Posted by Seven

The card was shown as delieved on Friday at 2:09. I did not receive it so I immediately went to the post office to find out where it was. They said that they didn't know an exact location, and the worker responsible wasn't there. I went to the branch manager and spoke to him, left my information, never heard anything from him.

The new listing which was taken down quickly was posted today I believe. I'm just really bummed out over this entire situation. I'm defintely going to be a lot more careful going forward of who I conduct deals with.

So, the USPS mistakenly delivers the card on Friday, June 26, 2020, and the recent seller (who has now taken it down) posts it for sale on Sunday, June 28, 2020?

I highly doubt the current seller is a good faith, bonafide purchaser. Does anyone believe the person that mistakenly received your card immediately sold it to the current holder, who lives an hour and a half away (assuming the card was mistakenly delivered somewhere near you in Brooklyn, NY), who then took possession and listed it all within less than 48 hours after the card was mistakenly delivered? No way; no how. That timeline is too quick.

Again, I would reach out to the card’s current holder. He needs to answer some questions. I would also reach out to eBay again. You have all the screenshots. It needs to ask the card’s holder some serious questions.

You and a friend need to purchaser something from the card’s current holder. Purchase his cheap items. Then you will have his name and address when he ships the items. I recommend having a friend also purchase something cheap from him to ensure he uses the same name and address. Then, contact the local police department.

You only live a little over an hour away from him. I would not let this go. He needs to be prosecuted.