Fake T218 Boxing Autographs on eBay

[D. Bergin]

Another one:

Jack Goodman T218

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1910-T218-J...p2047675.l2557


Inscription says "4-1"

Boxrec page lists "4-1" at the top of the page, with 40 confirmed bouts. Again, this boxer never would have seen his own record the same as Boxrec does in the year 2020.

[G1911]

If someone is dumb enough to believe these are real and buy them, well.... I don't want to say they deserve it, but at some point it becomes their own fault. The Ketchel is particularly amazing, he had 5-6 months to sign a card at a time in which autograph collecting was not really a thing anyways.

[Tao_Moko]

It was me. However, I "reserved" them to bring awareness to the seller as I expected they were fake. And, in the off chance they were real was willing to take a risk at their low price. The Kline was the first to jump out and the "S" in Summers and lastly the Sharpie ink. If they had a 1% chance of being legit it would have been a once in a lifetime find. Seller refunded me within minutes of my purchase(the amount of time I needed to verify them). I am not the eBay police but I did bring awareness to the seller of my concerns and some evidence to support it. Most of the cards were $40-$55 which is not a gross overcharge from their raw value and they were in decent shape. Nobody is getting burned too badly if they don't get taken down. That may be a sh*try outlook, but there are bigger problems in the world then a handful of fake autos for $50 and the seller had zero issues refunding. This may fire some of you guys up, but I've seen it for 35 years and just kind of numb to it. Buyer must always beware.

[G1911]

Personally, the seller is committing blatant fraud and $50 for a poor grade T218 common is a 1000%+ price increase for a card doctored in the face of all decency and ethics.

[david_l]

@ Dave. Lol nice sleuthing...

... I agree with Greg 100%

I had one of the cards in my watch list and dc2marvelevents, the seller of these faked autographs, contacted me with an offer. I figured I’d write back. I was polite but direct with them and told them that the autos were fake and that there was some discussion within some hobbyist groups and message boards regarding these cards. I genuinely thought the seller might want to know they were being talked about.

dc2marvelevents messaged me back in all caps saying among other things

“I BOUGHT THEM IN A COLLECTION AND I KNOW NOTHING ABIOUT THE AUTOGRAPHS. EBAYERS LIKE YOUR SELF IDIOTS!”

Take it for what it’s worth but dc2marvelevents is either completely ignorant regarding the authenticity of the autographs they are selling (which is what the seller claims and is the BEST case scenario) or they are trying to commit fraud. Decide for yourselves but either way not a great business model.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by david_l

@ Dave. Lol nice sleuthing...

... I agree with Greg 100%

FYI, I had one of the cards in my watch list and dc2marvelevents, the seller of these faked autographs, contacted me with an offer. I figured I’d write back. I was polite but direct with them and told them that the autos were fake and that there was some discussion within some hobbyist groups and message boards regarding these items. I genuinely thought the seller might want to know they were being talked about.

dc2marvelevents messaged me back in all caps saying among other things

“I BOUGHT THEM IN A COLLECTION AND I KNOW NOTHING ABIOUT THE AUTOGRAPHS. EBAYERS LIKE YOUR SELF IDIOTS!”

Take it for what it’s worth but dc2marvelevents is either completely ignorant regarding the authenticity of the autographs they are selling (which is what the seller claims and is the BEST case scenario) or they are trying to commit fraud. Decide for yourselves but either way not a great business model.

Guess that kind of response would be expected. The cross-section between people who type in all caps and sell fraudulent sports cards seems to be extremely high for some reason lol.

How many more years do we have before eBay is flooded with T218 Jack Johnson fakes sellers found in Grandpa's attic, like the Pre-War Baseball listings?

[Tao_Moko]

I'm not sure I recall a time that I considered eBay a platform for decency or an ethical entity. Reports and complaints mostly fall on deaf ears with no resolve. There are so many issues these days that I have just backed away from the world of collecting and occasionally come up for air between farming, kids and work. There is junk entombed in slabs that are sold as legit too. Autos are best left alone unless sufficient provenance is provided, which you'll pay for. I might be a dumb dirtbag but I took the path of sharing information with the seller that identified my concerns to their authenticity. Right or wrong, it's how I chose to go about it because I am not an authenticator and the cards were not in my hand. And admittedly, I had that sliver of hope that just maybe,........they were Uncle Jimmie's

[steve B]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Another one:

Jack Goodman T218

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1910-T218-J...p2047675.l2557




Inscription says "4-1"

Boxrec page lists "4-1" at the top of the page, with 40 confirmed bouts. Again, this boxer never would have seen his own record the same as Boxrec does in the year 2020.

It doesn't match what the back of the card says either.

[milkit1]

they are back:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1910-T218-J...UAAOSw6~de6j4E

[diamondstars]

And again?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/335553558102

https://www.ebay.com/itm/335553559848

[G1911]

Originally Posted by diamondstars

And again?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/335553558102

https://www.ebay.com/itm/335553559848

I reported them but you know eBay, they don't care.

If you search "Jimmy Gardner boxer autograph" there is only one real result, the attached cabinet. The scammer appears to have copied the "pal" from this autograph, but ignored that he signed it "Gardiner" (the Gardner/Gardiner brothers had their names spelled both ways in the press and not consistently) instead of what is on his T218 card.

I hope nobody falls for them this time. Still have never seen a credible T218 autograph card.

[G1911]

And for posterity since the eBay links will eventually die, here is the fake Marto

[D. Bergin]

Looks like this seller took them down.