A valuable lesson - eBay fraud + options

[KaiserCurt]

Originally Posted by Jewish-collector

If he's not too far away, drive over there with a couple of bounty hunters or UFC guys, knock on his front door and say, Sometimes you gotta say "WTF" and take the original card that he was supposed to send you and then dare him to do anything about it.

I’m getting OJ Simpson Las Vegas Memorabilia energy here! Lol

[Blunder19]

ship the card back.. with tracking.. if he doesnt refund you after the card shows as delivered then involve the police.

[drcy]

I think there's fair chance you will get a refund. A lot of scammers refund when they're called out on it.

[toledo_mudhen]

Is it possible that he really didn't know it was reprint? I would send back with tracking as suggested. I would think that there's better than 50/50 you get your $ back. Worst case is that you no longer own a basically worthless card -

[Jim65]

Send the card back so you have proof of the return. Then get your Bank/Credit Card Co involved if he doesn't refund.

DON'T pay Friends and Family to ANYONE ever. Deals with good honest sellers can turn bad, why give up your protection?

[bnorth]

This will not be popular.

These type of posts are fricken insane. The OP started out by screwing eBay, then he screwed PayPal. Now he is acting like a spoiled child because he got screwed.

OP put on your big boy panties and take the loss as a learning experience on how not to try to screw others, because nothing's better than a scammer getting scammed.

[MULLINS5]

Originally Posted by bnorth

This will not be popular.

These type of posts are fricken insane. The OP started out by screwing eBay, then he screwed PayPal. Now he is acting like a spoiled child because he got screwed.

OP put on your big boy panties and take the loss as a learning experience on how not to try to screw others, because nothing's better than a scammer getting scammed.

+1

[Rhotchkiss]

eBay handle of seller?

So the rest of us don’t get burned by same guy.... Thanks

[sportscardpete]

Appreciate everyone's feedback: kmr_sports

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

eBay handle of seller?

So the rest of us don’t get burned by same guy.... Thanks

And the ebay handle of buyer.....

[Buythatcard]

The OP stated that this is valuable lesson on trusting non net54 transactions. Let's be clear this is also a non eBay transaction.
I hate when people always blame eBay for actions of their own.

If you messaged him thru eBay, you should know that it's strictly against eBay policies to do a deal off the radar using their messaging system. If you contacted him outside of eBay, then fine.

Once you go that route, both you and the seller are pretty much on their own.

I don't think any outside sources will help you in this case. Your best bet is to try and work it out with the seller. But, if he has done this in the past, then he will do it again.

No fault of eBay in this situation.

[Marchillo]

Originally Posted by bnorth

This will not be popular.

These type of posts are fricken insane. The OP started out by screwing eBay, then he screwed PayPal. Now he is acting like a spoiled child because he got screwed.

OP put on your big boy panties and take the loss as a learning experience on how not to try to screw others, because nothing's better than a scammer getting scammed.

You don’t accept PPFF? Your posts always say “net to me” if so that’s very noble of you.

I guess most people here would be considered scammers in your book.

[chriskim]

Did u buy a Jordan RC and turned out to be a reprint? Any high quality but ungraded Jordan RC is a big no-no.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Marchillo

You don’t accept PPFF? Your posts always say “net to me” if so that’s very noble of you.

I guess most people here would be considered scammers in your book.

I rarely use PayPal. What does "net to me" have to do with anything?

Not most but WAY WAY more than you think there are. I have had way more problems on here than I have ever had on eBay with way less transactions here.

[Leon]

Since you are complaining about doing stuff here. Don't ever use the BST again. This isn't a request. If you use it you will no longer be here at all. See, I just solved a problem for you. A thank you should be in order.

Originally Posted by bnorth

I rarely use PayPal. What does "net to me" have to do with anything?

Not most but WAY WAY more than you think there are. I have had way more problems on here than I have ever had on eBay with way less transactions here.

[Marchillo]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I rarely use PayPal. What does "net to me" have to do with anything?

Not most but WAY WAY more than you think there are. I have had way more problems on here than I have ever had on eBay with way less transactions here.

$45 delivered net to me. PayPal, Cash, or Check are OK.

Very cool Mickey Mantle Bill Bruton Miscut.

You didn’t really answer the question. You accept PayPal and say “net to me”. So is the buyer being asked to only pay GS if using PayPal and tack on extra or if they decide to pay FF is that ok?

I actually get your original point but then I was curious if you refuse to take PPFF. Your sales threads don’t suggest that but maybe you only accept GS. If so I said that’s noble of you.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I rarely use PayPal. What does "net to me" have to do with anything?

Not most but WAY WAY more than you think there are. I have had way more problems on here than I have ever had on eBay with way less transactions here.

I never use paypal, but prefer to pay by check when using BST here. I always thought that checks were like cash and to send a bad one would be illegal

Sellers cash it and then send the card a day or 2 after. Some even send the card before depositing the check. End of story. They know where to bash me if the check bounces. Only one idiot wanted to hold my 5K in checks for 10 business days after the fact and I never bought from him again. You know who you are Desert Ice Sports. "Net to me" means that the seller is a legal moron, IMHO and I just pass.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by bnorth

This will not be popular.

These type of posts are fricken insane. The OP started out by screwing eBay, then he screwed PayPal. Now he is acting like a spoiled child because he got screwed.

OP put on your big boy panties and take the loss as a learning experience on how not to try to screw others, because nothing's better than a scammer getting scammed.

I agree with Ben.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by bnorth

This will not be popular.

These type of posts are fricken insane. The OP started out by screwing eBay, then he screwed PayPal. Now he is acting like a spoiled child because he got screwed.

OP put on your big boy panties and take the loss as a learning experience on how not to try to screw others, because nothing's better than a scammer getting scammed.

Agree. Way too many people justify going outside of Ebay or paying F&F to avoid fees that Ebay and PayPal rightfully deserve. Its stealing, period.

[drcy]

Originally Posted by bnorth

This will not be popular.

These type of posts are fricken insane. The OP started out by screwing eBay, then he screwed PayPal. Now he is acting like a spoiled child because he got screwed.

OP put on your big boy panties and take the loss as a learning experience on how not to try to screw others, because nothing's better than a scammer getting scammed.

I wouldn't have phrased it so harshly, but your point has merit.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by drcy

I wouldn't have phrased it so harshly, but your point has merit.

I am not very elegant with my words and don't beat around the bush too much.

Kinda like my comment that got me banned from the BST section. With all the buyer protection of eBay it is very hard to get scammed on there. On here there is absolutely ZERO protection. I have never to my recollection ever been scammed on eBay. I have been on here several years. With all the Fly By Night people we have come and gone on this forum I have had some bad transactions.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I am not very elegant with my words and don't beat around the bush too much.

Kinda like my comment that got me banned from the BST section. With all the buyer protection of eBay it is very hard to get scammed on there. On here there is absolutely ZERO protection. I have never to my recollection ever been scammed on eBay. I have been on here several years. With all the Fly By Night people we have come and gone on this forum I have had some bad transactions.

You never told me once about any BST issues. You are almost the only one I EVER hear bitch about the BST. So, I am sure I did you a favor. No more agony.

[Tyruscobb]

Originally Posted by bnorth

This will not be popular.

These type of posts are fricken insane. The OP started out by screwing eBay, then he screwed PayPal. Now he is acting like a spoiled child because he got screwed.

OP put on your big boy panties and take the loss as a learning experience on how not to try to screw others, because nothing's better than a scammer getting scammed.

Yes, the poster attempted to save money and skirted the rules. However, it is sad that an alleged reputable eBay seller would take full advantage. He/she also benefited - no eBay or PayPal fees.

A good reminder that the hobby has some bad apples. This is especially sad that folks would take advantage of others during a pandemic. I wish you the best of luck. May be a hard lesson learned.

[mechanicalman]

For f&ck’s sake. “Skirting the rules?” “Stealing from eBay?” “Cheating PayPal?” Some of you are so holier than thou you must not need toilet paper to wipe your ass. Must be nice.
I don’t blame the OP for trying to minimize transaction costs. When the seller took his money and sent him something fake, that’s what theft is.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

For f&ck’s sake. “Skirting the rules?” “Stealing from eBay?” “Cheating PayPal?” Some of you are so holier than thou you must not need toilet paper to wipe your ass. Must be nice.
I don’t blame the OP for trying to minimize transaction costs. When the seller took his money and sent him something fake, that’s what theft is.

Quoted.

[drmondobueno]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

for f&ck’s sake. “skirting the rules?” “stealing from ebay?” “cheating paypal?” some of you are so holier than thou you must not need toilet paper to wipe your ass. Must be nice.
I don’t blame the op for trying to minimize transaction costs. When the seller took his money and sent him something fake, that’s what theft is.

lmao. +1

[chalupacollects]

Originally Posted by Jim65

Send the card back so you have proof of the return. Then get your Bank/Credit Card Co involved if he doesn't refund.

DON'T pay Friends and Family to ANYONE ever. Deals with good honest sellers can turn bad, why give up your protection?

This is the way to go... if doesn't work then send the friends to his house!

[swarmee]

Well, if he's doing this, letting the world know his name, eBay account, and business address is completely reasonable to protect the rest of buyers. And if a scammer thread is started against him, he's more likely to refund you. How much money are we talking here? Is it enough to report him to his local police?

Despite the virus not hitting most hard financially, there are a subset of people who are hurting and willing to try to scam in order to pay off debts. Friends and family is like making a loan to a family member: might work some of the time, but consider it a charitable donation that you don't expect to get back.