The real, unseen side of The Green New Deal.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by irv

I believe in Climate change, it's the false/fake narrative that is behind it that I don't agree with.

^ This. The world heats up, the world cools down. It has from the beginning of time and it will forever continue to do so. It's a natural cycle.

In the 1970s, they tried to tell us the world was getting colder and we would all freeze to death. It failed. That generation had more sense.

So, they thought they would try to approach it from the opposite angle and tell the next generation that we would all die of heat. That generation bought into the lies, but fortunately there were enough of the older generation that the lies got dispelled.

Now, they've changed the terminology from global warming to climate change to make it sound more believable.

It's really sad that people are buying into this.

[packs]

You don't believe the world is heating even though the ice caps are melting? I think we can agree there is risk in rising sea levels. Whether or not someone is lying about the cause, if there are things we can do to slow rising seas, why wouldn't we do them? I'm just not understanding what there is to be against when it comes to living clean. Even if you don't agree with a specific methodology for living clean, what is there to be against in theory? How could living on a cleaner planet make things worse?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by packs

You don't believe the world is heating even though the ice caps are melting? I think we can agree there is risk in rising sea levels. Whether or not someone is lying about the cause, if there are things we can do to slow rising seas, why wouldn't we do them? I'm just not understanding what there is to be against when it comes to living clean. Even if you don't agree with a specific methodology for living clean, what is there to be against in theory? How could living on a cleaner planet make things worse?

Yes I believe the world is heating up. But I also believe it will cool back down. It's a cycle. And yes, I also believe in living clean (although we may have different ideas about what that means).

[irv]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Isnt projected to get much cooler now?

Yes, the overall temp of the earth/planet has decreased the last few years, not increased, but that has been seen throughout history through core samples, carbon dating and other real scientific means.

A temp increase from 1850 to 2012 showed an increase of 0.8 degrees C or 1.2 degrees F. Hardly anything to be worried/concerned about but of course if you look at the Global warming alarmists graphs, they show a huge spike, up trend just like Michael Mann's hockey stick. Fear mongering once again!
These Climate epochs have been happening forever but are rarely, if ever, talked about by the global warming alarmists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...limate_history

Originally Posted by packs

You don't believe the world is heating even though the ice caps are melting? I think we can agree there is risk in rising sea levels. Whether or not someone is lying about the cause, if there are things we can do to slow rising seas, why wouldn't we do them? I'm just not understanding what there is to be against when it comes to living clean. Even if you don't agree with a specific methodology for living clean, what is there to be against in theory? How could living on a cleaner planet make things worse?

Who actually says the ice caps are melting, and if they are, what conclusive evidence is there that this normal fluctuation of melting/growth is caused by man?

Curious, are you referring to Iceland's glaciers? If so, ever wonder why they don't tell you about the numerous volcanoes that are lying underneath them that erupt occasionally/often, that melt whole glaciers and cause massive flooding and damage? Is that caused by man?
http://www.plateclimatology.com/unde...climate-change

You realize these glaciers also reform/grow back occasionally as well? Ever heard any talk about that by the global warming alarmists?
Were you aware of the silent removal of signs that read "Glaciers will be all gone by 2020 due to MMGW" at Glacier National Park? Geez, it looks like their computer models were wrong again.
https://dailycaller.com/2019/06/07/n...cier-warnings/

I could go on and on here with false claims that the alarmists have made over the years, like New York will be under water by 2000, Florida will be gone/sunk due to ocean rise of 2 meters or more, no more polar bears, no more coral reefs, etc, but I think you should get the point? They are all fake/fear mongering schemes to keep the sheep convinced and dedicated to the cause.
"IPA Senior Fellow Dr Jennifer Marohasy presents this short film which allows Australians to see for themselves that claims that the Great Barrier Reef is in crisis are not true"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqFF...ggKE5j-0NUaNJM

[Cliff Bowman]

Six countries are responsible for 60% of the floating garbage in the oceans, China, Indonesia, the Philippines, Viet Nam, Sri Lanka, and Thailand. Good luck on stopping that, packs.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Six countries are responsible for 60% of the floating garbage in the oceans, China, Indonesia, the Philippines, Viet Nam, Sri Lanka, and Thailand. Good luck on stopping that, packs.

Yes, it's unbelievable what gets dumped in these places.

If I knew some of the carbon tax we pay up here in Canada for this global warming scam was being spent trying to help these countries, I'd be a little more receptive to it, but, unfortunately, I know it is not and is just being squandered or sent to the U.N. and/or George Soros to assist him with his Globalization agenda.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVnMBGXVVUI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkSXB-lRAp0

You guys are lucky Trump did not buy in and was able to recognize what a job killing, tax grab, scam/hoax this was.
Trudeau, through his policies and red tape (Global warming B.S) have chased billions and billions of investment dollars and thousands and thousands of jobs out of this country.
He tells the sheep we are in a Climate emergency here in Canada and they actually believe it.

Can you imagine, a country like ours with one of the lowest populations and one of the most green countries worldwide is in an actual climate emergency, but places like China, India Pakistan are not.

[irv]

Double tap.

[Cliff Bowman]

packs, here are the top twenty rivers in the world that contribute garbage that makes it out to the oceans. Now who is the problem? ETA: I'm sorry but I have to say this. I have no doubt that you are very well educated with a college degree and have a well paying white collar job, but it blows my mind how ignorant and biased you are to believe that the USA is largely responsible for or can even do anything about the garbage patches in the oceans. What did they teach you in college? It certainly wasn't the truth or common sense.

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

In the 1970s, they tried to tell us the world was getting colder and we would all freeze to death.

Who's "they?" Not the scientists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB3S0...8FA33&index=37

An excellent paper in the American Meteorological Society (2008)

https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf...2008BAMS2370.1

A couple highlights:

"One way to determine what scientists think is to ask them. This was actually done in 1977 following the severe 1976/77 winter in the eastern United States. "Collectively," the 24 eminent climatologists responding to the survey "tended to anticipate a slight global warming rather than a cooling" (National Defense University Research Directorate 1978)."

A survey was done on literature published in the '70s. The survey looked for "papers projecting climate change on, or even just discussing an aspect of climate forcing relevant to, time scales from decades to a century." It found 71 papers. "The survey identified only 7 articles indicating cooling compared to 44 indicating warming." The other 20 were neutral. Six times as many scientists in the '70s were predicting warming versus cooling.