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[jhs5120]

This is an interesting discussion and makes me think about PSA's process.

One person researches and logs the card.
One person grades the card
The card is encapsulated
One person reviews the grade (QA1)
One person reviews the holder (QA2)

So, in the case of a misidentified card, it appears only two people really check to make sure it's the correct card and label. The grader probably has no idea how the card has been identified and logged. The QA1 person is likely only concerned with whether the grade makes sense and the QA2 person's job is (per the PSA website) "labels have been reviewed for errors, and holders were examined for defects." So QA2 is likely doing a sense check on the label and a quick look to see that the holder isn't damaged. I doubt for some of these obscure identification issues the QA2 person would be equiped to pick up on everything.

[RCMcKenzie]

That's good to hear, Jay. I guess I shouldn't be so quick to sell the tpg's short. I guess they get it right most of the time. I wish they wouldn't give high grades to n172's with sharp corners and faded pictures, but that's a topic for another thread...Rob

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

That's good to hear, Jay. I guess I shouldn't be so quick to sell the tpg's short. I guess they get it right most of the time. I wish they wouldn't give high grades to n172's with sharp corners and faded pictures, but that's a topic for another thread...Rob

My issue is how do you tell the difference between faded, something that occurred after production, and poorly developed, which is how the card came originally. Remember we're still in fairly early days of photography in general and the VERY early days of mass-produced photography.

[Stampsfan]

With PSA’s protocols, they are not responsible and anyone who wants to Recover their costs needs to find the person who originally wrote the note on the back of the card.

[RCMcKenzie]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

My issue is how do you tell the difference between faded, something that occurred after production, and poorly developed, which is how the card came originally. Remember we're still in fairly early days of photography in general and the VERY early days of mass-produced photography.

Scott, it's an interesting and complicated topic. Here are 2 Bradley's from my collection. These were presumably taken on the same day. One is very faded, and one is very sharp. It does seem that some photoshoots produced sharper images than others, but in this case, I think my Bradley with bat has faded over time.

In keeping somewhat on the original topic, for a free DQ coke at the next National held in Texas, name this n172 subject without looking it up...

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Scott, it's an interesting and complicated topic. Here are 2 Bradley's from my collection. These were presumably taken on the same day. One is very faded, and one is very sharp. It does seem that some photoshoots produced sharper images than others, but in this case, I think my Bradley with bat has faded over time.

In keeping somewhat on the original topic, for a free DQ coke at the next National held in Texas, name this n172 subject without looking it up...

Since these cards are, in essence, photographs it wouldn't be the shoot so much as the development, which is why even identical cards can be so radically different.

I think the good news is that OJ buyers that I have sold to are much more interested in image quality than numeric grade. I've sold 1's for more than 4's.

[RCMcKenzie]

I am certainly not an expert on 19th century photography. I took a photojournalism class in junior high and they had a dark room where we developed the b/w photos we took with 35 mm cameras. If you've ever seen the Columbo episode with Dick Van Dyke, that's about how we did it.

Do you believe that the Bradley with bat that I posted was placed in a pack 130 years ago with the same faded image quality that it has today? I know this topic has come up before, I guess I should go back and look for some old threads.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I believe it's possible, certainly not definite.