PWCC auction - OJ Bid McPhee

[the-illini]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

I just got a new pair of reading glasses upped to 2x today, so my eyesight is not the best. I don't see a name on the original card, other than McPhee written in pencil. When I glanced at the listing last week, the image was close enough to the McPhee image that I know, that I didn't notice the missed id, and I look at every OJ auction that comes up. I can name Connie Mack w/o the name-tag, but I think there are many cards that I could not i.d. by the photo alone. Rob

The cards absolutely are very similar, but you should be able to expect the grading company to get the player right.

I didn’t create the thread to be a “gotcha” - I really didn’t want someone to buy a 50 dollar OJ common under the impression it was McPhee.

[RCMcKenzie]

Originally Posted by the-illini

The cards absolutely are very similar, but you should be able to expect the grading company to get the player right.

I enjoyed this thread and learned that Fennelley stooping right, and McPhee stooping right look very similar, as if they could almost be the same player from the same photo shoot.

My early experiences with sending cards in to all 3 tpg's were that they really don't know a whole lot about vintage cards. They mostly grade new cards. If they had the OJ book, they could have double-checked like your friend who caught the mistake. I doubt the tpg's have a copy of the OJ book...Rob

[oldjudge]

Rob-The do have copies of the book. They also have a research group that checks new cards. They have contacted me twice in the last year with questions about 19th century discoveries. I actually think they are very thorough in their work. It appears that in this case, however, a few graders got lazy.

[jhs5120]

This is an interesting discussion and makes me think about PSA's process.

One person researches and logs the card.
One person grades the card
The card is encapsulated
One person reviews the grade (QA1)
One person reviews the holder (QA2)

So, in the case of a misidentified card, it appears only two people really check to make sure it's the correct card and label. The grader probably has no idea how the card has been identified and logged. The QA1 person is likely only concerned with whether the grade makes sense and the QA2 person's job is (per the PSA website) "labels have been reviewed for errors, and holders were examined for defects." So QA2 is likely doing a sense check on the label and a quick look to see that the holder isn't damaged. I doubt for some of these obscure identification issues the QA2 person would be equiped to pick up on everything.

[RCMcKenzie]

That's good to hear, Jay. I guess I shouldn't be so quick to sell the tpg's short. I guess they get it right most of the time. I wish they wouldn't give high grades to n172's with sharp corners and faded pictures, but that's a topic for another thread...Rob

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

That's good to hear, Jay. I guess I shouldn't be so quick to sell the tpg's short. I guess they get it right most of the time. I wish they wouldn't give high grades to n172's with sharp corners and faded pictures, but that's a topic for another thread...Rob

My issue is how do you tell the difference between faded, something that occurred after production, and poorly developed, which is how the card came originally. Remember we're still in fairly early days of photography in general and the VERY early days of mass-produced photography.

[Stampsfan]

With PSA’s protocols, they are not responsible and anyone who wants to Recover their costs needs to find the person who originally wrote the note on the back of the card.

[RCMcKenzie]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

My issue is how do you tell the difference between faded, something that occurred after production, and poorly developed, which is how the card came originally. Remember we're still in fairly early days of photography in general and the VERY early days of mass-produced photography.

Scott, it's an interesting and complicated topic. Here are 2 Bradley's from my collection. These were presumably taken on the same day. One is very faded, and one is very sharp. It does seem that some photoshoots produced sharper images than others, but in this case, I think my Bradley with bat has faded over time.

In keeping somewhat on the original topic, for a free DQ coke at the next National held in Texas, name this n172 subject without looking it up...

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Scott, it's an interesting and complicated topic. Here are 2 Bradley's from my collection. These were presumably taken on the same day. One is very faded, and one is very sharp. It does seem that some photoshoots produced sharper images than others, but in this case, I think my Bradley with bat has faded over time.

In keeping somewhat on the original topic, for a free DQ coke at the next National held in Texas, name this n172 subject without looking it up...

Since these cards are, in essence, photographs it wouldn't be the shoot so much as the development, which is why even identical cards can be so radically different.

I think the good news is that OJ buyers that I have sold to are much more interested in image quality than numeric grade. I've sold 1's for more than 4's.