Will this stock market madness affect cards?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by carlsonjok

When someone is more focused on how the stock market is reacting and directly contradicts actual disease experts, there is a case to be made that decisions are being made in a vacuum.

Not sure thats apples to apples, he mentions loss of life is important too just as he states what happened in the market.....theres no narrative there unless someone wants to force a narrative

as to contradicting actual disease experts, what exactly does contradict mean, actions are different than words. The experts say varying things and to be flexible..i dont think they said do exactly this or else..

Also it has been said if you are the leader the buck stops with you. So if you listen 100% to what leading experts say and they are wrong, then you will get fired for being wrong (hiring the wrong guys etc) Its already been established on this thread that if you are wrong you are fired..

I not for or against the guy, but throwing around generalities whether its pro democrat or pro republican doesnt do any good imo..

[Republicaninmass]

Well a card came up last night listed by PWCC I've had on my want list forever. Needless to say, I didnt bid! It wasnt do to the market madness, but my own morals. Doubt he is missing my revenue, but this is one person that wont be shilling up, or selling a doctored card to.

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Not sure thats apples to apples, he mentions loss of life is important too just as he states what happened in the market.....theres no narrative there unless someone wants to force a narrative

That is a nice bit of equivocation. He didn't ever mention the loss of life until it was blatantly obvious that the loss of life will be substantial. There is plenty of ink out there regarding the President's early (non)reactions to the virus. But, here are two of my favorites:

February 24: The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me! (Note on 2/24, the DJIA closed at 27,938. Today closed at 20,910.)

February 26:And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.

as to contradicting actual disease experts, what exactly does contradict mean, actions are different than words. The experts say varying things and to be flexible..i dont think they said do exactly this or else..

I am referring specifically to his pushing of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as some kind of miracle cure, when there is absolutely no evidence it works. Hydroxychloroquine is an anti-malarial and azithromycin is an antibiotic. Neither are anti-virals. Now, it is entirely possible that they may work. After all, rogaine started out as a blood pressure medicine. However, there has been no clinical trials and the two most publicized studies of their use have such huge procedural flaws that it is impossible to draw any scientifically sound conclusions from them. And I've heard no responsible doctor or relevant scientist say otherwise.

Also it has been said if you are the leader the buck stops with you. So if you listen 100% to what leading experts say and they are wrong, then you will get fired for being wrong (hiring the wrong guys etc) Its already been established on this thread that if you are wrong you are fired..

Come on now. Are you really trying to suggest that Trump was listening to experts all along? I've seen plenty of experts talk about this (I have a friend and a brother-in-law who are both virologists) and all of them were sounding the alarm. Heck, even the political class was sounding the alarm. On February 4, Chris Murphy, a senator from Connecticut said the following: "Just left the Administration briefing on Coronavirus. Bottom line: they aren't taking this seriously enough. Notably, no request for ANY emergency funding, which is a big mistake. Local health systems need supplies, training, screening staff etc. And they need it now."

I not for or against the guy, but throwing around generalities whether its pro democrat or pro republican doesnt do any good imo..

You'll have to point out for me where I made any comment about anyone political affiliation. Noting gross incompetence isn't political.

[mq711]

I start a post about Carl Hubbell and it gets “watercoolered” in a day and this political crap is allowed to continue, what gives?

[Touch'EmAll]

Anyone notice - Saw interesting blip: Mark Cuban won't say if he'll run for President, but notes the "door is wide open." He is young, he is energetic, he is a top businessman, he is a go-getter. Appears he has long range vision for what's honestly best for America. He isn't stuck in the political Democrat vs. Republican thing. Trump, Biden, I just kinda roll my eyes. I would vote for Mark Cuban in a heartbeat.

Now back to original post - Stock market affect cards. Today the DOW got crushed, and probably be even worse by Friday. Weekly unemployment figures come out I think tomorrow - will be really bad. Anyway, I have a few cards up on ebay (1959 Aaron PSA 8, 1965 Aaron PSA 7 & 1970 Ryan PSA 8) that close in couple days and the views/bids/watchers seem quite strong, really curious how they end up, fingers crossed. Will let you know how they do. Anyone else have cards closing last few days or in the next week?

[Dpeck100]

There were 25 PSA graded 1982 Wrestling All Stars Series A that sold overnight at strong prices.

I get it people should supposedly not be spending but so far they are.

The market knows this Friday there is going to be 3 million plus apply for unemployment benefits.

100backstroke I sold three of four lots listed Sunday at strong prices and one of the buyers requested another card through EBAY and I sold that card too that I had not planned on at a great price.

I remain convinced people want the cards.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by 100backstroke

Anyone notice - Saw interesting blip: Mark Cuban won't say if he'll run for President, but notes the "door is wide open." He is young, he is energetic, he is a top businessman, he is a go-getter. Appears he has long range vision for what's honestly best for America. He isn't stuck in the political Democrat vs. Republican thing. Trump, Biden, I just kinda roll my eyes. I would vote for Mark Cuban in a heartbeat.

Now back to original post - Stock market affect cards. Today the DOW got crushed, and probably be even worse by Friday. Weekly unemployment figures come out I think tomorrow - will be really bad. Anyway, I have a few cards up on ebay (1959 Aaron PSA 8, 1965 Aaron PSA 7 & 1970 Ryan PSA 8) that close in couple days and the views/bids/watchers seem quite strong, really curious how they end up, fingers crossed. Will let you know how they do. Anyone else have cards closing last few days or in the next week?

if everyone knows the market will get crushed why not buy a short in a dow index fund....if so easy....

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by carlsonjok

That is a nice bit of equivocation. He didn't ever mention the loss of life until it was blatantly obvious that the loss of life will be substantial. There is plenty of ink out there regarding the President's early (non)reactions to the virus. But, here are two of my favorites:
February 26:And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.


I am referring specifically to his pushing of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as some kind of miracle cure, when there is absolutely no evidence it works. Hydroxychloroquine is an anti-malarial and azithromycin is an antibiotic. Neither are anti-virals. Now, it is entirely possible that they may work. After all, rogaine started out as a blood pressure medicine. However, there has been no clinical trials and the two most publicized studies of their use have such huge procedural flaws that it is impossible to draw any scientifically sound conclusions from them. And I've heard no responsible doctor or relevant scientist say otherwise.


Come on now. Are you really trying to suggest that Trump was listening to experts all along? I've seen plenty of experts talk about this (I have a friend and a brother-in-law who are both virologists) and all of them were sounding the alarm. Heck, even the political class was sounding the alarm. On February 4, Chris Murphy, a senator from Connecticut said the following: "Just left the Administration briefing on Coronavirus. Bottom line: they aren't taking this seriously enough. Notably, no request for ANY emergency funding, which is a big mistake. Local health systems need supplies, training, screening staff etc. And they need it now."

You'll have to point out for me where I made any comment about anyone political affiliation. Noting gross incompetence isn't political.

Again you are trying to fit a narrative. The pushing of the new drugs were 'what do you have to lose drugs' and by the time he was pushing that he was also talking about loss of human life being a main thing to avoid. So you cant pick and choose a timeline on one issue without correcting the other. Also talk is different then actions. The Easter thing about some parts of the country being open was a thought, perhaps that was against experts advice, but it doesnt look there will be any action on that.

Saying there is gross incompetence is actually political when there a large group that would disagree. Can say there are problems and mistakes but when throwing around all or nothing descriptions, it looks political. Just like saying hes doing the best job ever. That would be political to me as well as a large group would disagree to that .

[irv]

Continual Trump bashing even during these times. Who said this pandemic had no political agenda? The Dems are using anything and everything they can to paint Trump in a bad light. Shameful, absolutely shameful.

https://twitter.com/TrumpStudents/st...32736%3Fs%3D09

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by irv

Continual Trump bashing even during these times. Who said this pandemic had no political agenda? The Dems are using anything and everything they can to paint Trump in a bad light. Shameful, absolutely shameful.

Your comments about "Dems" politicizing this issue are contrary to what I, and I believe several others here have been saying which is not partisan. This is a serious global situation. Simply LISTEN to medical EXPERTS! Learn from past outbreaks. Learn from the countries who are doing it better than we are!!

Also see the example of Democratic Governor Newsom, who whether Jake Tapper could believe it or not, was complimentary to Trump on more than one occasion, while making quick tough decisions in advance of federal guidance to try and slow the spread of this virus in his state. Newsom is far from perfect, going back to his time as mayor in SF, however he's clearly making a deliberate attempt to avoid unnecessary partisan bickering right now.

It would be nice of others would take a similar tact as this does need to transcend partisan politics. It does not seem like you absorb this however when you go right back to "the Dems are attacking Trump narrative", which is painfully circular.

You also bash liberal media. Anyone on the left could then easily counter with Fox's and Hannity's terribly negative coverage of the Stoneman Douglass teenage activists, or Info Wars' attacks on the Sandy Hook families. But what good does any of that do right now? It just further pisses people off during a time we need some unity.

What I observe is that you and some others seem to use the offensive, as a best defensive tactic for what has been an underwhelming executive response thus far. I imagine the inner monologue-- "Oh crap, our guy contradicted himself again, '15 won't be zero by next week', this won’t just ‘dissipate in April when it warms up’, it is not ‘just like the flu’.... errrrr 'it’s a war!’.... yes, we'll call it a war now!!!… and also attack the dems!! And the media!!"

BTW- I do not watch CNN or MSNBC talking heads, I do not watch Fox. I mostly avoid Facebook, totally avoid Twitter, and question things that are forwarded from those sites. I try my best to ID potential slant in a story written or televised, and then ideally extract the most basic facts. It's not possible to fully avoid bias in reporting, especially if they are simply providing bad info, but it's also not too difficult to pick up on their selective wording, deliberate vocal tones, and to try to look beyond. It is also far too cynical (and lazy) to simply believe all those in media/press (MSNBC, CNN or Fox) are slime balls, only concerned with ratings. I think there are many honest and dedicated reporters and producers out there. We just need to work harder to find them, filter out the other noise.

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by irv

Continual Trump bashing even during these times. Who said this pandemic had no political agenda? The Dems are using anything and everything they can to paint Trump in a bad light. Shameful, absolutely shameful.

Yes, using the man's OWN words and actions/inactions is absolutely shameful./snark off

I don't know whether it is comforting or disconcerting to know that there are "Loonies" in Canada as well as in the US.

[irv]

Originally Posted by AustinMike

Yes, using the man's OWN words and actions/inactions is absolutely shameful./snark off

I don't know whether it is comforting or disconcerting to know that there are "Loonies" in Canada as well as in the US.

Lets blame Trump for his actions/in-actions.

Oops!

https://www.instagram.com/tv/B-dGINug9bh/?

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[guy3050]

No Politics in this post, Wishing all my American Neighbors to be safe!!!!

[CharleyBrown]

Originally Posted by irv

Lets blame Trump for his actions/in-actions.

Oops!

https://www.instagram.com/tv/B-dGINug9bh/?

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Are you seriously posting an instagram tv link from a Russian-based account profile? Why? Do you not question the junk you see on social media?

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by irv

Continual Trump bashing even during these times. Who said this pandemic had no political agenda? The Dems are using anything and everything they can to paint Trump in a bad light. Shameful, absolutely shameful.

I just saw this, and it is truly shameful.

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/antho...101124851.html

[Republicaninmass]

Guess the half the board will be getting infractions!


"Acting weird " but be worse than political arguements

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Again you are trying to fit a narrative. The pushing of the new drugs were 'what do you have to lose drugs' and by the time he was pushing that he was also talking about loss of human life being a main thing to avoid. So you cant pick and choose a timeline on one issue without correcting the other.

You know, it is possible to hold several thoughts in sequence and, get this, even at the same time. Everything in my previous post, save the mention of gross incompetence, is a verifiable fact. I even provided links for you to see for yourself. If stating what is objectively true is pushing a narrative, then the word fact has no meaning. Though, I have to say this is the first time I've met a nihilist out in the wild.

Also talk is different then actions. The Easter thing about some parts of the country being open was a thought, perhaps that was against experts advice, but it doesnt look there will be any action on that.

Saying there is gross incompetence is actually political when there a large group that would disagree.

When you are the President of the United States, words matter. Here is an article talking about the responses of the various states to the outbreak. It is a good jumping off point for determining when the various states put in measures to slow the spread of the disease and the severity of those measures.

To *now* make this political, you may want to look at the states that were slower to respond and have put in the less stringent measures. You'll find something interesting about their party affiliation. Words matter.

Can say there are problems and mistakes but when throwing around all or nothing descriptions, it looks political.

As far as your assertion that mistakes were made, that is true. Huge, deadly mistakes were made that went directly against the advise of public health experts. And, yes, experts can be wrong. But, in this case, they were right, and the difference of experiences between the US and South Korea that someone posted about earlier is instructive. John Hopkins maintains an up to date coronavirus website that allows you do drill down into the data. It's interesting to compare and contrast the charts in the lower right hand side for the US and South Korea. It shows what would have been possible if someone here had listened to the experts from the git-go. Korea has experienced 3.3 deaths for every million residents so far and the spread of the disease is slowing. The US has experienced 15.6 deaths per million and the spread of the disease is accelerating. This is all verifiable fact. Expertise matters.

[1952boyntoncollector]

p to date coronavirus website that allows you do drill down into the data. It's interesting to compare and contrast the charts in the lower right hand side for the US and South Korea. It shows what would have been possible if someone here had listened to the experts from the git-go. Korea has experienced 3.3 deaths for every million residents so far and the spread of the disease is slowing. The US has experienced 15.6 deaths per million and the spread of the disease is accelerating. This is all verifiable fact. Expertise matters.[/QUOTE]

So lets say s. korea does the best but USA is 2nd best of all countries in the world in regards to the objective numbers, does that make it gross incompetence? The buffalo bills went to 4 super bowls and lost them all but they were far from the worst team in those years..

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

So lets say s. korea does the best but USA is 2nd best of all countries in the world in regards to the objective numbers, does that make it gross incompetence?

A 5x difference in death rates between #1 and #2 would certainly lend credence to the words of a great philosopher that "If you're not first, your last." But, if you want to make the case that the American response is the second best, have at it. I'd be interested in seeing that.

The buffalo bills went to 4 super bowls and lost them all but they were far from the worst team in those years..

Ouch. You really know how to hit a guy where it hurts. I was a Bills fan for years and those 4 straight losses hurt. Badly.