49 Leaf common numbers picture guide- now with the full size pictures post 15 on.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Jgrace

Love this set. Neat to see the different versions side by side.

Something I’ve always wondered about these color variations - did they all come off the printer like that, or are there environmental conditions (light, moisture, chemicals, soaking) over the last 70 years that account for some of them?

Twenty-one of the 23 cards, which I have posted (so far) in this thread, are original cards from 1949 LEAF wax-packs.....when I collected these cards as a youngster in 1949.

I'd say most color variations found in these cards are NOT due to "environmental, chemicals, or otherwise" factors. These variations were printed as such in the LEAF factory.



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TED Z

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[steve B]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Twenty-one of the 23 cards, which I have posted (so far) in this thread, are original cards from 1949 LEAF wax-packs.....when I collected these cards as a youngster in 1949.

I'd say most color variations found in these cards are NOT due to "environmental, chemicals, or otherwise" factors. These variations were printed as such in the LEAF factory.



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TED Z

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I'd agree, most of the ones I actually own are in pretty rough shape, and the colors are still fine. They may have been sloppy, but they bought good ink.

[steve B]

I have the photo size thing sorted, now if the kids let me have the computer when I have enough time.

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[Jgrace]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Twenty-one of the 23 cards, which I have posted (so far) in this thread, are original cards from 1949 LEAF wax-packs.....when I collected these cards as a youngster in 1949.

I'd say most color variations found in these cards are NOT due to "environmental, chemicals, or otherwise" factors. These variations were printed as such in the LEAF factory.



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TED Z

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That’s so incredible Ted. I knew you pulled that 52 Mantle yourself, didn’t realize you go back even further than that! Maybe someday I can have the same stories for my 88 Donruss cards .

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Jgrace

That’s so incredible Ted. I knew you pulled that 52 Mantle yourself, didn’t realize you go back even further than that! Maybe someday I can have the same stories for my 88 Donruss cards .

Jgrace

I'm fortunate having grown-up at a great time to acquire all these classic cards and see some great Baseball games (live or on TV). And more important, lucky enough to have a Mom
and Aunt, who saved all my Sportscards, Lionel trains, Stamp collection, etc. when I was away for 4 years in the US Air Force.


TED Z

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[steve B]

Ted, do you recall if the bright pink ones came out early or late?

I'm thinking they were the first ones, followed by red (probably after kids complained) Then by the ones without the extra lines (Maybe to save on ink?)

But being Leaf, that could be way off.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by steve B

Ted, do you recall if the bright pink ones came out early or late?

I'm thinking they were the first ones, followed by red (probably after kids complained) Then by the ones without the extra lines (Maybe to save on ink?)

But being Leaf, that could be way off.

Steve
Excuse me, but I have to differ with you.
I went thru 75 of my original 1st series LEAF BB cards, and all the "reds" are RED. For example, here are Ruth and Williams...…

Furthermore, I checked out my original LEAF Boxing cards. The 1948-1949 set of Boxers was initially issued in the Fall of 1948 (White backs). These cards were very-very popular,
so LEAF continued issuing them into the beginning of 1949. This is evident since the 1949 issued cards have Gray backs (similar to the 1949 LEAF BB cards).
Having said all that, the Boxing cards with red backgrounds are all RED.

My thinking regarding the BB color variations is that these cards are most likely the result of sloppy printing practices during the end press runs.


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TED Z

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[steve B]

I have a few of the pink ones, (Actually the Magenta from the CMYK) And they are definitely bright pink. I've actually sought them out at times because I think they're a bit harder to find.

I have some boxing too, and haven't seen pink on any of those.

It's a good point that boxing was 48 and continued into 49, so that makes the pink ones a bit more of a puzzle.

The inks would have been mixed by hand by the press operator. Starting with the basic Cyan Yellow and Magenta different colors are made by adding a little of other colors. Usually enough is mixed for the day or shift, or if the job is small, by the job.
Like the blues, they all start with the same cyan base, lighter ones get a bit of white, darker a bit of black.
The darkness/lightness seems so far to match with the particular plate differences, so I don't think they're mistakes other than just plain sloppiness.
Why they would just use the Magenta straight when they'd been mixing red for a while maybe even a year or so is a mystery.

The transitional types where they have one type for a couple colors and a different type for another are actually quite hard to find.

[samosa4u]

First of all, thank you Steve for making these images larger. I see what you're trying to do here now. For example, the Jackie Robinson in the middle has a pinkish face, and when I scroll up I see that the Appling and Mize cards have pinkish faces as well. However, not all the cards I see in this column seem to match.

Anyways, I do think it would be great if we could group all these cards like what you're trying to do now, but it's a lot more complicated than you think. Let's take a look at the following Robinson, for example:



This card also has a pinkish face, but the cap is different. The blue color that was used does not match the one you have posted. Furthermore, you can also see all the details on the cap (lines and shading). Yours doesn't have this either. So, where exactly would we place this card on your spreadsheet?