Just how Rare are Vintage Cards (Like How much Rarer is a T212 vs T206)?

[that T206 Guy]

Just how Rare are Vintage Cards (Like How much Rarer is a T212 vs T206)?

It seems like for every 1 T212 there is like a Few Hundred T206's.

Is it safe to assume that your average common T212 is 200 Times Rarer than your average common T206?

Is there any info anywhere on just how Rare these sets are Compared to each other?

I am very curious.

[x2drich2000]

Using Cy Young (a top tier HOFer who is more likely to be graded than a common) as a sample, below are the PSA pop reports from several issues.

964 T206 portraits (all backs)
923 T206 glove showing (all backs)
870 T206 bare hand (all backs)
327 T205 (all backs)
102 T3
77 E93
62 E92 combined (52 Dockman, 2 Cocoa, 7 Candy (all colors), 1 E92 Nadja)
29 D304
24 E105 (a very high number for this set).

I'm sure if you did this for other players you would find a similar breakdown. So basically you are talking T206 are roughly 3x more common than T205, and around 12x more common than the easier caramel sets. This is for a specific player and if you wanted any card of any player, the T206 set being the largest would result in T206's being even more common as a type than these number indicate.

[OldOriole]

Originally Posted by x2drich2000

Using Cy Young (a top tier HOFer who is more likely to be graded than a common) as a sample, below are the PSA pop reports from several issues.

964 T206 portraits (all backs)
923 T206 glove showing (all backs)
870 T206 bare hand (all backs)
327 T205 (all backs)
102 T3
77 E93
62 E92 combined (52 Dockman, 2 Cocoa, 7 Candy (all colors), 1 E92 Nadja)
29 D304
24 E105 (a very high number for this set).

I'm sure if you did this for other players you would find a similar breakdown. So basically you are talking T206 are roughly 3x more common than T205, and around 12x more common than the easier caramel sets. This is for a specific player and if you wanted any card of any player, the T206 set being the largest would result in T206's being even more common as a type than these number indicate.

Very well said!

[buymycards]

Here is a quick sampling from the PSA pop report

T206 247,000 graded

T213-1 118 graded

T215-1 40 graded

T205 40,000 graded

T215 Pirate 11 graded

1909 T212 409 graded

1910 T212 2370 graded

1911 T212 1333 graded

Those are PSA only. The numbers don't include Beckett or SGC.

[Rhotchkiss]

T215 Pirates are rare? Then this sucker is something you don't see every day. Love the T215 Pirates (all of which are "Authentic")!! Considering the OP's questions has pretty much been answered - T206s generally (ignoring backs) are more common than ever other T, E and D issue - lets see some rare cards!

[bbcard1]

There would seem to be an implication that rarer is better. This isn't really always true. The relative availability of the T206 makes it plausible for everyone to participated and creates an opportunity for communities to form around the card.

It's kind of like an old convertible I once owned. I liked it, but it was going to eat thousands of dollars to get it to a serviceable point. it was also a rare car. A friend to mine who is an auto enthusiast described it as "scarce but undesirable."

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

T215 Pirates are rare? Then this sucker is something you don't see every day. Love the T215 Pirates (all of which are "Authentic")!! Considering the OP's questions has pretty much been answered - T206s generally (ignoring backs) are more common than ever other T, E and D issue - lets see some rare cards!

I can do exactly the opposite. Here is the most common card in the T206 set. I noticed the Red Cobb has the most PSA graded examples in the set. The Piedmont 350 back was the most graded Red Cobb.

Just got it so using any reason to post pics of it.

[buymycards]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

T215 Pirates are rare? Then this sucker is something you don't see every day. Love the T215 Pirates (all of which are "Authentic")!! Considering the OP's questions has pretty much been answered - T206s generally (ignoring backs) are more common than ever other T, E and D issue - lets see some rare cards!

Your Frank Chance is the only Chance card graded. No Chance cards graded at SGC.

I'm not sure what you mean by "all of which are Authentic".

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by buymycards

I'm not sure what you mean by "all of which are Authentic".

Normally it refers to them not being pack issued, but hand cut from a sheet instead like it was saved as a printer's scrap.

[Goudey77]

T206. It's the blue chip standard for pre war cards. Extremely popular and traded at high volume.

[that T206 Guy]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

T215 Pirates are rare? Then this sucker is something you don't see every day. Love the T215 Pirates (all of which are "Authentic")!! Considering the OP's questions has pretty much been answered - T206s generally (ignoring backs) are more common than ever other T, E and D issue - lets see some rare cards!

No, My question was not answered.

I am referring to all cards not just graded cards.

T206 is more valuable so therefore more are graded which throws of the numbers alot so we cannot go off PSA numbers.

If you went off those parameters then T206 is much much more common than 1991 Topps.

We all know that ain't True. LOL.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by that T206 Guy

No, My question was not answered.
I am referring to all cards not just graded cards.

My bad. And apologies if I hijacked the thread. But I am confident that the pop reports are reflective of overall population. T206s were issued over a 3-year period and were widely distributed across most of the country east of the Mississippi (and some west). Most other T, E, and D cards were issued in a single year and were super regional. For example, e92 Croft’s cocoa were distributed in 1909 only, and only in Philadelphia. M131 Baltimore Newsboys were only distributed in 1911 to kids who sold the Baltimore newspaper. And D304 were distributed in western, NY in 1911 only.

So, based on the facts that most T, E, and D cards were regional and single-year issues vs t206 which was much more geographically diverse and a 3-year issue, t206 is naturally much more plentiful.

More pics, sorry could help myself (e92 Croft’s cocoa, m131 newsboy, D304 General Baking back)

[that T206 Guy]

Originally Posted by x2drich2000

Using Cy Young (a top tier HOFer who is more likely to be graded than a common) as a sample, below are the PSA pop reports from several issues.

964 T206 portraits (all backs)
923 T206 glove showing (all backs)
870 T206 bare hand (all backs)
327 T205 (all backs)
102 T3
77 E93
62 E92 combined (52 Dockman, 2 Cocoa, 7 Candy (all colors), 1 E92 Nadja)
29 D304
24 E105 (a very high number for this set).

I'm sure if you did this for other players you would find a similar breakdown. So basically you are talking T206 are roughly 3x more common than T205, and around 12x more common than the easier caramel sets. This is for a specific player and if you wanted any card of any player, the T206 set being the largest would result in T206's being even more common as a type than these number indicate.

I am not saying graded.

Because like you said more popular and more valuable cards will be more likely to be graded.

If I type in T206 on ebay 8,939 cards come up but only 319 T212 come up.

That's a big difference.

And if I look at PWCC auctions sometimes he has a few hundred T206 and like 5 or less T212 (Often he doesn't have any T212).