1948/49 Leaf Satchel Paige

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by brian1961

No, Ted, nothing of the sort. Quite the contrary. I interpreted the article as Dick Reuss introduced the Leaf Bob Feller to the hobby, through his discovery of the card in his friend's collection where said friend resided in Michigan.

---Brian Powell

Sorry, Brian.....I think I mis-interpreted what you said in post #18.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

I was talking to a big US card dealer over the phone last night and he thinks that these packs were searched. He doesn't think the Paige card is rarer than any of the other cards in the second SP series. He told me whenever he purchased a collection of 49' Leafs from someone, the Paige card was always in there.

I don't know who you were talking with, and where does he get his information from ?

In 1989, when Alan Rosen discovered this 1949 LEAF find, I got a chance to see these cards. And, there were only three Paige cards in this collection of 576 cards.
While the other 48 subjects ranged from 10 - 13 cards each.

Incidentally, I met Alan Rosen in 1981 (we were set-up at adjacent tables at a New Jersey BB card show), and we were close friends all the years since.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[samosa4u]

I can't post his name on an open forum without his permission. I will say this: for the past thirty years he has been buying up collections across the country (and selling them for big bucks!) So he must know what he's talking about.

Anyhow, price-wise this Paige card is almost on the same level as the 52' Topps Mantle. It's absolutely insane.

It's a good thing that the Jackie Robinson card is in the first series. It's more affordable and more people can enjoy it.

[GeoPoto]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Anyhow, price-wise this Paige card is almost on the same level as the 52' Topps Mantle. It's absolutely insane.

I'll take your word for the comparison to Mantle, but I can attest to the extraordinary scarcity of 49Leaf Paiges and the frantic price action when one surfaces.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

I can't post his name on an open forum without his permission. I will say this: for the past thirty years he has been buying up collections across the country (and selling them for big bucks!) So he must know what he's talking about.

Well what do you know....an anonymous source....this sounds like "fake news" !

So, Mr. Anonymous is a big-time dealer, who says: "whenever he purchased a collection of of 49' Leafs from someone, the Paige card was always in there."
Of course Paige would most likely be in a sizeable collection of 1949 LEAF cards. Besides Babe Ruth, Paige was/is the most popular subject in this set.

So, for starters the real question is.....how many 1949 LEAF collections did this "Mr. Anonymous" purchase ? ?

OK, Alan Rosen displayed these 1949 LEAF cards from his find at the Willow Grove Show in 1989. Many of us old-timers saw them at this show back then.
Rosen had opened the wax-packs from 2 of the 4 (24-count) boxes which yielded 288 cards. There was NOT a single Paige card in that group. He sold the
other two boxes of unopened 1949 LEAF wax-packs to Jim Copeland. Upon opening those 48 waxpacks, Jim found only three Paige cards.

That's how the entire story goes, guys. The Paige card was most likely printed in the same quantities as the other 48 cards on the 49-card sheet; however,
only a few of these Paige cards were inserted into the LEAF wax-packs. For whatever reasons.


Now, here we have a character, who asks you for information. You provide the information. And what in effect is his response....."your full of crap, because
a Mr. Anonymous says otherwise."

Well, I'm NOT going to continue this "horse-crap"any longer.....END OF DISCUSSION ! !
I no longer will respond to any of his requests, questions, or remarks.


T-Rex Ted
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[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Well what do you know....an anonymous source....this sounds like "fake news" !

So, Mr. Anonymous is a big-time dealer, who says: "whenever he purchased a collection of of 49' Leafs from someone, the Paige card was always in there."
Of course Paige would most likely be in a sizeable collection of 1949 LEAF cards. Besides Babe Ruth, Paige was/is the most popular subject in this set.

So, for starters the real question is.....how many 1949 LEAF collections did this "Mr. Anonymous" purchase ? ?

OK, Alan Rosen displayed these 1949 LEAF cards from his find at the Willow Grove Show in 1989. Many of us old-timers saw them at this show back then.
Rosen had opened the wax-packs from 2 of the 4 (24-count) boxes which yielded 288 cards. There was NOT a single Paige card in that group. He sold the
other two boxes of unopened 1949 LEAF wax-packs to Jim Copeland. Upon opening those 48 waxpacks, Jim found only three Paige cards.

That's how the entire story goes, guys. The Paige card was most likely printed in the same quantities as the other 48 cards on the 49-card sheet; however,
only a few of these Paige cards were inserted into the LEAF wax-packs. For whatever reasons.


Now, here we have a character, who asks you for information. You provide the information. And what in effect is his response....."your full of crap, because
a Mr. Anonymous says otherwise."

Well, I'm NOT going to continue this "horse-crap"any longer.....END OF DISCUSSION ! !
I no longer will respond to any of his requests, questions, or remarks.


T-Rex Ted
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Yowsers!!! I wasn't expecting that one at all!

You need to calm down, sir. You are overreacting here.

The eight-page article you sent me was a fantastic read. It taught me so many things that I didn't previously know and I thank you for that.

Now I want to take a direct quote from your article:

In 1989, a "find" in Michigan of four unopened 24-count boxes of second series Leaf cards yielded about a dozen cards of just about every player. However, there were only three cards of Satchel Paige from a total population of 576 cards. Is this find representative and is the Paige card that scarce? No one really knows. (pg 36, T. Zanidakis, Old Cardboard, Issue #9, Fall 2006).

Look what you did here. You are asking the reader a question. You are encouraging the reader to go out there and to try to find out on his own. This is what good authors do.

Oh, and FYI, I just finished reading David Hornish's Topps Chewing Gum book. I actually ordered a hard copy, so that way I could write down notes as I read along. Now I got a ton of questions I want to ask him, and yes, I will challenge him too, but there is nothing wrong with that. That's what makes all of this fun, right?

Thank you again for your article