Anybody around the country seeing sports shows being cancelled because of Corona

[ullmandds]

Totally agree! China and italy have handled this much better than we are. No way for us to know how bad this is since we are not testing and don’t seem to be capable of testing efficiently.

Hopefully our next president will re-incorporate some measures to help safeguard against such things as this instead of dismantling them like the current regime.

Originally Posted by seanofjapan

I think I agree with this.

The markets around the world have tanked this week and the reason is that they expect the situation in the US to become way worse than it has in China, which is quite scary actually.

The reason is basically they don't see any effective response being formulated by the US government right now and its too late at this point to do much about that.

In China the response was kind of bungled from the start in a similar way - the leadership just tried to ignore and deny it for a while. But then they changed literally overnight from doing nothing to suddenly taking aggressive measures to contain it. And those seem to have worked, it looks like China will peak with fewer than 100,000 cases and about 4,000 deaths, which while tragic is way better than it could have been.

What has markets freaking out is that the outbreak in the US is already way past the point it was in China when it made that pivot. They only had a few hundred cases at that point and it was contained to a single region when the Central government started taking it seriously and imposing strict measures. In the US now it has already spread to almost all 50 states, and there are thousands of cases, maybe 10s of thousands given what little we know thanks to a lack of testing, and its spreading at an exponential rate.

And despite this, there still isn't really any plan for getting it under control being articulated by the Federal government. The opportunity to limit the damage to what China incurred has already been squandered and the markets recognize this. They seem to be pricing in an epidemic with numbers in the millions in the US and commensurate economic fallout.

I would not be buying stocks right now, nobody knows where the floor for this is.

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Totally agree! China and italy have handled this much better than we are. No way for us to know how bad this is since we are not testing and don’t seem to be capable of testing efficiently.

Hopefully our next president will re-incorporate some measures to help safeguard against such things as this instead of dismantling them like the current regime.

I wouldn't be so quick to applaud China & Italy.

First of all, China began the cover-up of this virus in December. Numbers didn't start coming out until January, and even then & now, there is plenty of skepticism when it comes to the numbers released vs. reality. I have plenty of doubts on how much that situation is actually "clearing up" and even more doubts about the origins of the virus and China's intentions.

Second of all, Italy didn't close down Chinese travel until it was too late. They have 16 million people under quarantine, and are leaving infected, dead corpses in the homes because they aren't collecting them fast enough or at all for a certain period of time. They are even considering not caring for the elderly.

[irv]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Totally agree! China and italy have handled this much better than we are. No way for us to know how bad this is since we are not testing and don’t seem to be capable of testing efficiently.

Hopefully our next president will re-incorporate some measures to help safeguard against such things as this instead of dismantling them like the current regime.

Nah, this panic/epidemic isn't politically motivated at all. LMAO

[cardsagain74]

Originally Posted by irv

Nah, this panic/epidemic isn't politically motivated at all. LMAO

Nor does it have anything to do with problematic media representation of anything. That part is a lot more disturbing than anything else.

There were eight new cases reported in China yesterday. 8. No zeros. And that was back page news at best (you had to dig up something online that a Honolulu newspaper picked up from Bloomberg news to even have much chance of finding it at all):

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/...or-first-time/

This is great news that sheds much more light on how the virus might spread (or, in this case, stop spreading). So why was it not a story from major news outlets yesterday and today? Obviously because it's not something that keeps people's eyes glued to the screen. Panic sells; subduing any of the panic doesn't.

These things are so blatant that it's hard to imagine anyone could downplay how the media spins their news (especially about the virus recently) and the negative impact that can have on society, economically and otherwise

[irv]

Originally Posted by cardsagain74

Nor does it have anything to do with problematic media representation of anything. That part is a lot more disturbing than anything else.

There were eight new cases reported in China yesterday. 8. No zeros. And that was back page news at best (you had to dig up something online that a Honolulu newspaper picked up from Bloomberg news to even have much chance of finding it at all):

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/...or-first-time/

This is great news that sheds much more light on how the virus might spread (or, in this case, stop spreading). So why was it not a story from major news outlets yesterday and today? Obviously because it's not something that keeps people's eyes glued to the screen. Panic sells; subduing any of the panic doesn't.

These things are so blatant that it's hard to imagine anyone could downplay how the media spins their news (especially about the virus recently) and the negative impact that can have on society, economically and otherwise

I was watching CP-24 up here yesterday and there was a conference with either Provincial or Federal health ministers.
The questions being asked and answered were all the doom and gloom type but legitimate questions nonetheless.

Anyways, once these were all answered, a lady in the audience asked a simple question about the recovering rates and how many people have survived this will no ill effects.
Before the health professionals/ministers could even answer, CP-24 broke from the info session and went to a "Breaking News" story about how the school boards, have yet again, rejected an offer from the gov't about their ongoing contract dispute.

We all have our opinions, and this could just be a coincidence, but this labor disruption has been going on for weeks now so I don't honestly know, considering the panic currently around covid 19, how they could break from such an important info session the moment this lady asked this question??

Things that make you go, Hmm.

[Phil68]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Totally agree! China and italy have handled this much better than we are. No way for us to know how bad this is since we are not testing and don’t seem to be capable of testing efficiently.

Hopefully our next president will re-incorporate some measures to help safeguard against such things as this instead of dismantling them like the current regime.

[Phil68]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Totally agree! China and italy have handled this much better than we are. No way for us to know how bad this is since we are not testing and don’t seem to be capable of testing efficiently.

Hopefully our next president will re-incorporate some measures to help safeguard against such things as this instead of dismantling them like the current regime.

I must ask...
what, exactly, was "dismantled" by the "current regime" that led to a global coronavirus outbreak? THIS has gotta be good...

Further, what was ever DONE by a previous administration to "safeguard" against such things?

Cite sources, please. Facts are always nice amidst the spew...

[earlywynnfan]

I'm dumb enough to bite: how about defunding the White House Nat Security Council Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense team, who monitored potential outbreaks worldwide? Slightly scary reading an article from 2018 stating the threat of a pandemic flu as their number 1 concern

Originally Posted by Phil68

I must ask...
what, exactly, was "dismantled" by the "current regime" that led to a global coronavirus outbreak? THIS has gotta be good...

Further, what was ever DONE by a previous administration to "safeguard" against such things?

Cite sources, please. Facts are always nice amidst the spew...

[tschock]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

I'm dumb enough to bite: how about defunding the White House Nat Security Council Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense team, who monitored potential outbreaks worldwide? Slightly scary reading an article from 2018 stating the threat of a pandemic flu as their number 1 concern

Thank you, Mayor Bloomberg. I'll provide the citation for you, in case you missed it. https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/de...avirus-claims/

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by tschock

Thank you, Mayor Bloomberg. I'll provide the citation for you, in case you missed it. https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/de...avirus-claims/

Thanks for linking it for me:
"Multiple Democrats, including Bloomberg and Biden, have criticized Trump for getting rid of a pandemic response position on the National Security Council. The position was eliminated, although John Bolton, then-national security adviser, was the person directly responsible."

[Frank A]

Nobody could have stopped this and to say they could have is assanine. No country in the world has stopped it and will not This thing has to run it's coarse and then it will subside. All you geniuses who think any person could have stopped this is a nut case. Blaming the President is just plain Stupid.

[seanofjapan]

Originally Posted by Frank A

Nobody could have stopped this and to say they could have is assanine. No country in the world has stopped it and will not This thing has to run it's coarse and then it will subside. All you geniuses who think any person could have stopped this is a nut case. Blaming the President is just plain Stupid.

South Korea and China actually have stopped it by taking aggressive measures to do so. Just taking a “let it run its course” approach is a recipe for disaster.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Frank A

Nobody could have stopped this and to say they could have is assanine. No country in the world has stopped it and will not This thing has to run it's coarse and then it will subside. All you geniuses who think any person could have stopped this is a nut case. Blaming the President is just plain Stupid.

Now who can argue with genuine American gibberish like that? Just a thought, but perhaps the next time you decide to attack people for being stupid or sarcastically call them geniuses for not agreeing with you or your beloved fearless leader, maybe get someone who can read and write at better than a 9th grade remedial level to proof the post for you. The words you are searching for are "asinine", "its", and "course". The next to last sentence should read: "All you geniuses who think any person could have stopped this are nut cases."

Just to be sure you don't think I am criticizing the way you expressed yourself rather than the content of your statement, I have carefully considered your brilliant defense of the regime's incompetent, late and grudging response to the pandemic and can think of only one response that seems appropriate: nuts!

[tschock]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Thanks for linking it for me:
"Democrats have criticized President Donald Trump for his administration’s response to the new coronavirus, making claims about cuts to public health programs and the silencing of government experts. But they haven’t always gotten their facts right:
Multiple Democrats, including Bloomberg and Biden, have criticized Trump for getting rid of a pandemic response position on the National Security Council. The position was eliminated, although John Bolton, then-national security adviser, was the person directly responsible."

You're welcome. To provide context to your quote, I added the preceding sentences to those bullet points (including your quoted one), just in case you missed that.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by tschock

You're welcome. To provide context to your quote, I added the preceding sentences to those bullet points (including your quoted one), just in case you missed that.

I didn't miss it, it did not relate to my point. You appear very interested in making this a Trump/NonTrump thing, I have no interest in that. Feel free to argue with others, I would rather care about my students, my family, and my friends, no matter if they wear a D or an R on their hats.