Anybody around the country seeing sports shows being cancelled because of Corona

[insidethewrapper]

Ten's of thousands of people die each year of the flu and I don't think anything like shows etc have been cancelled. I know a few schools close at times because of the flu but that is all. I really don't understand the current situation and panic with this virus. Now if a few million cases were reported in the USA that would be news and still that would be less than 1% and about 80% of these cases have few symptoms , according to the expert doctors.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

Ten's of thousands of people die each year of the flu and I don't think anything like shows etc have been cancelled. I know a few schools close at times because of the flu but that is all. I really don't understand the current situation and panic with this virus. Now if a few million cases were reported in the USA that would be news and still that would be less than 1% and about 80% of these cases have few symptoms , according to the expert doctors.

maybe you missed the memo that they are hardly testing for it here. No test kits. No need to go anywhere, especially a card show. That would be the last place on earth I would go right now but that's just me.

[buymycards]

I am setting up at the Cedar Rapids, IA show on March 29th. Hope to see you all there. I will have wipes and hand sanitizer at my table for customer use.

BYOM. (Bring Your Own Masks)

[scooter729]

We have a large show in the Boston area the weekend of April 17-19. The promoter (Rich Altman) is sending out a bunch of promos every day right now about it, adding autograph guests, etc.

I expect things such as these types of shows will end up being canceled in the coming weeks, but they seem to be all systems go at the moment.

[oldjudge]

Card shows are easy to cancel. A better question is what will happen to spectator sports. Personally, I think there will be outright cancellations or games played in empty venues. March madness might be the first one.

[90feetaway]

I think shows that heavily rely on autograph guests may be at risk. Will the talent show up due to fear/travel restrictions?

[Bugsy]

Seattle just banned events with 250 people and San Francisco just banned events with more than 1000. The majority of large St. Patrick's Day parades have already been canceled. I think this is smart. You need to act early to minimize the impact of a pandemic. Our collective memory is surprisingly short. There are many lessons to be taken from the 1918 Influenza Pandemic, including at looking what happens when you try to contain after the illness is already widespread...but most people don't even know there was an epidemic here in 1918.

[the-illini]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Card shows are easy to cancel. A better question is what will happen to spectator sports. Personally, I think there will be outright cancellations or games played in empty venues. March madness might be the first one.

https://twitter.com/NCAA/status/1237838583630721027

[JollyElm]

Perhaps it's time for sellers to start offering some incentives to drive up attendance numbers, like "Buy a graded 1952 Mantle card and get 3 wax packs of 1990 Score absolutely FREE!!!!!!"

[Goudey77]

Mike, I'm not picking on you but this mindset is what causes people to be irresponsible and add fuel to the fire. It's not optimal to brush off the threat of this virus and say it has not impacted a higher percentage of our population.

The way a virus like this spreads is alarming. Sharing the same air as an infected person in a hallway could put you at high risk.

Would you want a society with a reactive mindset waiting for the "million" cases or proactive and taking preventative measures.

I have elderly parents and to protect the vulnerable I would rather a see precautionary mindset coming from citizens.

Just my take.

Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

Ten's of thousands of people die each year of the flu and I don't think anything like shows etc have been cancelled. I know a few schools close at times because of the flu but that is all. I really don't understand the current situation and panic with this virus. Now if a few million cases were reported in the USA that would be news and still that would be less than 1% and about 80% of these cases have few symptoms , according to the expert doctors.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by Goudey77

Sharing the same air as an infected person in a hallway could put you at high risk.

I’m pretty sure this isn’t how it works.

[glynparson]

Just when I thought we couldn’t get any dumber. Fools posting that this is all the media’s fault like countries and businesses are sacrificing all this money on a hoax or to get trump. This ignorance is laughable and as someone with a compromised immune system so I am at risk to those taking my health lightly screw you!

[Johnny630]

The card doctors should show up to the shows with the bleach that they use to whiten their cards. It already seems like it’s a line the third-party graders let them cross. Use it for something good like wiping down surfaces.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by conor912

I’m pretty sure this isn’t how it works.

"Its like trying to fight air" I believe that was from the NY mayor


No, just wash you hands! A tough concept for the hobbyists I know

[polakoff]

It's a pretty far ways away but I am concerned about the impact on the National. I am confident that with the measures everyone seems to be taking we will have this thing well under control by the time of the show. But, since people book travel and make travel plans months in advance, I am concerned that attendance will be low regardless of how COVID-19 is contained by the end of July.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by polakoff

It's a pretty far ways away but I am concerned about the impact on the National. I am confident that with the measures everyone seems to be taking we will have this thing well under control by the time of the show. But, since people book travel and make travel plans months in advance, I am concerned that attendance will be low regardless of how COVID-19 is contained by the end of July.

I wasn't going to the National anyway (see Adam's great response to not going to AC). That said, we can only hope this will be over by then. I am in the camp of it not being the major plague that many are estimating. I think it is a new virus that probably comes back year after year, just like influenza, but with lower sickness totals. There could be mutants of it but that is also common for these types of viruses, from what is being said. I think it's good to take all precautions and do what we can to prevent the spreading of it but paranoia isn't going to help.

[irv]

Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

Ten's of thousands of people die each year of the flu and I don't think anything like shows etc have been cancelled. I know a few schools close at times because of the flu but that is all. I really don't understand the current situation and panic with this virus. Now if a few million cases were reported in the USA that would be news and still that would be less than 1% and about 80% of these cases have few symptoms , according to the expert doctors.

I agree! I think this is way overblown and unnecessary panic all driven by the propaganda/corrupt/bias media.

Regular flu kills thousands a year but nary word about that??? Mmm, wonder why?

""CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.""
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

[buymycards]

Originally Posted by irv

I agree! I think this is way overblown and unnecessary panic all driven by the propaganda/corrupt/bias media.

Regular flu kills thousands a year but nary word about that??? Mmm, wonder why?

""CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.""
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

Canada now has over 100 cases of Coronavirus. Your government is allocating over 1 billion dollars to respond. Is the media in Canada also corrupt and biased? I think you are biased, not the media.

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by irv

I agree! I think this is way overblown and unnecessary panic all driven by the propaganda/corrupt/bias media.

Regular flu kills thousands a year but nary word about that??? Mmm, wonder why?

""CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.""
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

A couple reasons:

1. This virus is, as it stands, both marginally more contagious and has a marginally higher mortality rate than the common flu. Having one of these two attributes of a virus strain keep the virus "marginally" more dangerous. Have both makes it "exponentially" more dangerous. Exceptional measures might prevent this.

2. The virus is "novel" or new, meaning it's exposure to a human population at large is also new. This heightens the chance the virus mutates into an even more dangerous strain. The Spanish Flu outbreak during WW1 was actually broken into two waves - a first wave where the strain featured characteristics similar to the common flu (mortality rates clustered within the eldery, extremely young, and at risk). In the second, the virus then mutated into a strain that was almost equally as devastating to healthy young adults who previously the least at risk group. Exceptional measures might prevent this.

3. The "regular" flu is already firmly entrenched into our population. There is hardly a section of the globe that doesn't have a "flu season" now. The farther this strain expands and the larger the population that is infected the greater the risk this strain enters the rotation and reappears. This is especially dangerous because of number one. Exceptional measures might prevent this.

In itself covid-19 is lower on the list of dangerous viruses, there are plenty of things much much worse, but the reasons listed above and others give cause to isolate and "kill" this virus while it is still novel. Sports organizations, Universities, and in some cases entire regions are shutting down not because of something they read on facebook or watched on the news. They are taking extreme measures because top health organizations are recommending they do so.

Am I personally fearful of the virus? Not really. The only fear I have at the moment is the economic impact the virus will almost certainly soon have on my business. In looking at the greater picture though, we are at the cusp of measures most of us haven't seen in our lifetime so I believe the major health organizations feel the need to contain it quickly is warranted. How the media factors into this I'm not sure other than yeah, some of the most extreme medical efforts we have seen in some time are being thrown at this virus so I would expect them to report on it extensively.

[irv]

Originally Posted by buymycards

Canada now has over 100 cases of Coronavirus. Your government is allocating over 1 billion dollars to respond. Is the media in Canada also corrupt and biased? I think you are biased, not the media.

Our leader up here is a moron and is destroying this country. He is doing this/pandering for votes, nothing more, trust me.

Of course the media up here is biased. The Toronto Star, CTV News, CP24news, the CBC, the list goes on and on.

If anyone doesn't think this covo 19 hysteria isn't political motivated to some extent, then they have their blinders on.

Remember HiN1, swine flu, SARS, Avian Flu, Mers, Ebola and a whole host of other ones.
Fear mongering at its best.
When's the last time you have heard about Wuhan China?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN20Y03W
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51813876

Doctors: 98% of coronavirus patients survive, but many others could have contracted it and not known
https://www.boston25news.com/news/do...DQSQDPOYMMIU4/

[Snapolit1]

I will avoid lapsing into politics. Have messed that up a few times. Will avoid another transgression.

I don't see the point of saying "look how stupid people are." The reality of the situation is irrelevant. Not that any of us or the experts know the reality of the situation. The perception of the situation among the mass number of people is pretty bleak. Pointing out how irrational and silly you think people are is a waste of time. What's important is the perception. And that is very bleak at the moment. No one wants to get on train or planes. Have eaten out recently in some very empty restaurants. People on mass transport looking very afraid. Strange times.

Fear is a very primitive lizard brain emotion. Not really a rational one. You can explain how safe flying is and if someone doesn't want to fly you are banging your head against the wall. Ditto disease.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

I will avoid lapsing into politics. Have messed that up a few times. Will avoid another transgression.

I don't see the point of saying "look how stupid people are." The reality of the situation is irrelevant. Not that any of us or the experts know the reality of the situation. The perception of the situation among the mass number of people is pretty bleak. Pointing out how irrational and silly you think people are is a waste of time. What's important is the perception. And that is very bleak at the moment. No one wants to get on train or planes. Have eaten out recently in some very empty restaurants. People on mass transport looking very afraid. Strange times.

Fear is a very primitive lizard brain emotion. Not really a rational one. You can explain how safe flying is and if someone doesn't want to fly you are banging your head against the wall. Ditto disease.

Maybe a bad choice for a meme but if you could see what is going on up here, you too would just shake your head.
Massive panic driven idiocy when Costco and other grocery stores open up all rushing/running towards the stacks of toilet paper, water and hand sanitizer.
This flu does not cause diarrhea nor has anyone anywhere said our city water is going to be turned off. It's absolutely ridiculous, but again, it shows the power the media has over the people.

The vast majority recover from this, just like the seasonal flu, and those who do pass are the same ones, health/age wise, who would also pass if they caught the flu but we are all acting like a bunch of fear driven sheep because that is what the media is telling us to do.
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...-demographics/

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by irv

Maybe a bad choice for a meme but if you could see what is going on up here, you too would just shake your head.
Massive panic driven idiocy when Costco and other grocery stores open up all rushing/running towards the stacks of toilet paper, water and hand sanitizer.
This flu does not cause diarrhea nor has anyone anywhere said our city water is going to be turned off. It's absolutely ridiculous but again, it shows the power the media has over the people.

The vast majority recover from this, just like the seasonal flu, and those who do pass are the same ones, health/age wise, who would also pass if they caught it but we are all acting like a bunch of fear driven sheep because that is what the media is telling us to do.
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...-demographics/

I don't think the media creates people's fear. I think once people feel personally at risk or fear for their family and loved ones, they go off the rails. Many horrible things have happened through human history in response to irrational fear. See Nazi Germany, lynching of innocent people, and many other terrible things. I'm not worried about my kids in college. But my 82 year old mother would be waylaid very easily and prob gone in days if she came into contact with this. That's what I'm seeing.