CAS authentications by Mike Root ;reputable?

[steve B]

The Jeter card is not one of the pack inserts that were signed.
Those will have "authentic signature" in foil where this one has "1 of 45,000"
The inserts were also hand numbered to 8650.

I'm not an expert, but I did at one time have three of the pack pulled Jeters, all gotten from packs I bought. The signatures are pretty consistent, and signed mostly level. And don't really look much like this one.

Is it a signed common from the set? I don't know for sure, but I'd bet against it being real.
I used to regularly search Ebay for deals on Signature rookies cards, (Yeah, but I like them, so... ) And don't recall seeing a signed common from the set.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by steve B

The Jeter card is not one of the pack inserts that were signed.
Those will have "authentic signature" in foil where this one has "1 of 45,000"
The inserts were also hand numbered to 8650.

I'm not an expert, but I did at one time have three of the pack pulled Jeters, all gotten from packs I bought. The signatures are pretty consistent, and signed mostly level. And don't really look much like this one.

Is it a signed common from the set? I don't know for sure, but I'd bet against it being real.
I used to regularly search Ebay for deals on Signature rookies cards, (Yeah, but I like them, so... ) And don't recall seeing a signed common from the set.

Steve, absolutely correct when you write "But I'd bet against these being real."

Those are forgeries.

I reached out to CAS (Mike Root) and I asked him "What year did Jeter sign these?"

He could not tell me.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Here is the third forged "Jeter" certed by CAS and sold by Ebay seller Eclarkjr (who also sold one of the forged/counterfeit Kobe Bryant "2000-01 UP Ovation" cards.

Ebay seller Eclarkjr sold four "Jeter" autographs certed by CAS as "authentic."


EclarkjrJeterForged-1.jpg

[Allinone]

I just wanted to set the record straight regarding items authenticated by myself through CAS Certified Authentication Service. I have worked in the Authentication field professionally for over 15 years. Working as an authenticator may be the most challenging job you can have in the hobby. With that being said I am always willing to review any autograph that is put into question regarding the authenticity. That review process does take some time to be conducted. What we cannot and will not do is immediately discount our opinion based on accusations made regarding an authentication we have done. The nature of the Authentication business in general is constantly the target of criticisms. Our decisions are made based on the opinion of myself and numerous consultants we use from different fields of expertise. I hold myself to the highest level of integrity and accuracy at all times. One of the most difficult things for most authentication companies/authenticators to do is admit that they can make mistakes sometimes. It does happen and the key to evolving is learning from them and becoming further educated and experienced. If more people were willing to try and work together with the Authentication companies instead of jumping at the opportunity to point fingers the hobby would be a much better place.

[earlywynnfan]

I look forward to a follow-up with your findings on these Jeters. I am sure you are not another Justin Priddy.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Being up front would start with a name. “All in one” sounds a little narcissistic to me, but I digress. I made the initial post seriously to inform people’s friend “Mike” that his company is authenticating bad autographs from a known forger.

Some or all of these pieces may come in from different sources or “fences”, but only CAS would be able to determine the source and shut down the release.

If this is Mike, hopefully you are in it for the right reasons and will act on this info accordingly. Autographs are constantly fooling everyone and I certainly don’t expect to believe everyone gets everything right 100% of the time. Problem with us_caine is that he constantly sells garbage and has for years.

As the old saying goes, “fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me”.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Mike has a hobby and gaming store called All In One, it's not an egotistical thing at all.

Reading Mike's response (and knowing him) it certainly seems like he is interested in revisiting these autographs and getting to the bottom of things.

My support of Mike isn't because I think he's perfect. I don't think ANY authenticator or collector is, not even the ones posting in this thread. My support of him is tied directly to my belief that he is a person who is committed to ethical behavior. I know first hand of great financial opportunities that Mike has passed on due to their questionable ethical complications.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

I look forward to a follow-up with your findings on these Jeters. I am sure you are not another Justin Priddy.

Looks like Mike is really doing a deep dive into these Jeters! Or, maybe he is another Justin Priddy.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Looks like Mike is really doing a deep dive into these Jeters! Or, maybe he is another Justin Priddy.

I wonder the number of those he "authenticated."

If you're a major TPA, the one autograph you must be well-versed in is Derek Jeter.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Looks like Mike is really doing a deep dive into these Jeters! Or, maybe he is another Justin Priddy.

I hope not.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Allinone

I just wanted to set the record straight regarding items authenticated by myself through CAS Certified Authentication Service. I have worked in the Authentication field professionally for over 15 years. Working as an authenticator may be the most challenging job you can have in the hobby. With that being said I am always willing to review any autograph that is put into question regarding the authenticity. That review process does take some time to be conducted. What we cannot and will not do is immediately discount our opinion based on accusations made regarding an authentication we have done. The nature of the Authentication business in general is constantly the target of criticisms. Our decisions are made based on the opinion of myself and numerous consultants we use from different fields of expertise. I hold myself to the highest level of integrity and accuracy at all times. One of the most difficult things for most authentication companies/authenticators to do is admit that they can make mistakes sometimes. It does happen and the key to evolving is learning from them and becoming further educated and experienced. If more people were willing to try and work together with the Authentication companies instead of jumping at the opportunity to point fingers the hobby would be a much better place.

If you remember, Mike, I emailed you about those "Jeter" autographs at least ten days before I posted those images here, so that "jumping at the opportunity to point fingers" comment is a bit out of line.

I asked in one of those emails "What year(s) did Jeter sign those?"

I have yet to read a reply.

And to be clear, I am a supporter of all of the legitimate TPAs.

I am not here to bash CAS.

[MGHPro]

I'm glad that you keep pointing out the jeter forgeries sinc the only autograph I collect is Jeter so it certainly helps me out . As for the ones you posted , if you know a jeter autograph pretty well , those examples should take about a second to realize that they are forgeries . Not much time should be needed to respond .

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

If you remember, Mike, I emailed you about those "Jeter" autographs at least ten days before I posted those images here, so that "jumping at the opportunity to point fingers" comment is a bit out of line.

I asked in one of those emails "What year(s) did Jeter sign those?"

I have yet to read a reply.

And to be clear, I am a supporter of all of the legitimate TPAs.

I am not here to bash CAS.

[Duluth Eskimo]

As I said, hoping to see people correct mistakes. I think some of the items that were authenticated are fairly poor examples, but I am certainly not an expert in all. The biggest problem with the authentication game is that you are expected to be an expert in everything (which is extremely difficult) otherwise people will exploit that opportunity and that persons good name. No one wants to hear criticism or even that they may have gotten something wrong, but answering the critics might help.

Scott, thanks for explaining the “all in one” name. It would have helped if he put his name with his comments or at least said, “hey, this is Mike” so we know who is responding. I have no clue how many if any people work for CAS. I honestly only want people not to get burned. Both authenticators and collectors. I know there’s plenty of people who read these threads who can’t or don’t comment because they own a business or don’t want to create a stir. Just want to get the info out there.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by MGHPro

I'm glad that you keep pointing out the jeter forgeries sinc the only autograph I collect is Jeter so it certainly helps me out . As for the ones you posted , if you know a jeter autograph pretty well , those examples should take about a second to realize that they are forgeries . Not much time should be needed to respond .

You're welcome, Matt, thank you.

The moment I observed them on Ebay listed by Ebay seller Eclarkjr, I knew immediately they were not authentic.