Help with this 52 Topps Mantle

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

what you mean 'made the flip'

From the card in Ted Z's original post with the old SGC label to my card with the new SGC label. I think that's what they call it a "flip".

I'm sorry, but the terminology is new to me. Flip, Flop, POP...whatever you call it, it's the SAME CARD. From one plastic container to another newer plastic container....

I was just curious how the card could be in someones "Master 1952 Topps set", yet the card is in my possession??? Unless, mine is FAKE, which is certainly possible? Maybe we can just add it to the Billion Dollar Fraud?

[RCMcKenzie]

I know I sometimes post a scan of a card that I used to own, and forget that I traded it away years earlier. Maybe that's what happened here. Your Mantle has good provenance it seems...Rob

[irv]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

Here's a Coinky Dink for all you Mantle Fans!!!!

I believe I own the same card as the type 2 in your 1952 master set?

Of course it's been cracked out and into another holder, but here is a photo and a scan of the same card. In the scan, you can see the crease by the logo. When I bought the card, I did some research before the purchase to see if the card had been altered and I saw that same exact card and assumed it was the same?

I had a respected AH, associated with the sale of the card, tell me he made the flip...

What do think? Is it the same card?

Definitely the same card, imo.

Curious what the answer/opinion is going to be on this?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

From the card in Ted Z's original post with the old SGC label to my card with the new SGC label. I think that's what they call it a "flip".

I'm sorry, but the terminology is new to me. Flip, Flop, POP...whatever you call it, it's the SAME CARD. From one plastic container to another newer plastic container....

I was just curious how the card could be in someones "Master 1952 Topps set", yet the card is in my possession??? Unless, mine is FAKE, which is certainly possible? Maybe we can just add it to the Billion Dollar Fraud?

I have said many times, I wish there was an 'owner registry' so you can look up a cert number to see if someone is claiming ownership. Can be annoymous or a way to send email where real email is hidden to find out if a card for sale is really theirs ..

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I have said many times, I wish there was an 'owner registry' so you can look up a cert number to see if someone is claiming ownership. Can be annoymous or a way to send email where real email is hidden to find out if a card for sale is really theirs ..

or how about just being able to look up the number? That is pretty basic. I always thought I just couldn't find it on the SGC site and didn't want to ask

That is pretty stupid to not be able to look the card up? Why have a number in the first place? Anyway, according to the website and John, It's Monday and it will be up and running today!!!

Think of how many cards have been broken out of the slabs for both PSA and SGC and the numbers that are no longer valid, because they don't exist anymore? We'll there must be a million I tell ya

[chriskim]

How come the top right corner of the graded Mantle look sharper? Just the scan or in fact got doctored? (sorry, i am not trying to open a can of worm here)

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by chriskim

How come the top right corner of the graded Mantle look sharper? Just the scan or in fact got doctored? (sorry, i am not trying to open a can of worm here)

probably just a little doctoring.... The camera pics always look so much better than the scans. I think that could be the culprit of the "doctoring", I don't know? I think the card in hand looks right. There are only 2 other pairs of hands that touched the card. I now know where the card has been since 1952. That's pretty hard to do. very grateful to find out the history in any case.

1 pair of hands is a reputable AH (no, really) and the other is the guy I bought it from that worked with him to put the card in the new holder.

But you NEVER SAY never in this hobby, you know that. People will have to judge it based on all the pics when it goes up for sale, I guess and bid accordingly

[Fuddjcal]

Here's the scan again so everyone can take a ganders. Thanks for the opinions.

[irv]

When Ted originally posted about having this card in his Master set, I assumed he still owned it and thought, did Chuck get taken somehow with a very good/excellent forgery/copy of Ted's card somehow?

Glad to read all is straightened out. I was beginning to think this doctoring/forgery thing had been taken to a whole new different level.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

or how about just being able to look up the number? That is pretty basic. I always thought I just couldn't find it on the SGC site and didn't want to ask

That is pretty stupid to not be able to look the card up? Why have a number in the first place? Anyway, according to the website and John, It's Monday and it will be up and running today!!!

Think of how many cards have been broken out of the slabs for both PSA and SGC and the numbers that are no longer valid, because they don't exist anymore? We'll there must be a million I tell ya

but with an owner registry you could get at least a disguised email from someone claiming they own the card so its in real time versus a database that may not be updated.....i wouldnt buy a mantle from guy number 1 if there is a guy number 2 telling me he owns the card...that issue would have to be worked out first..

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

but with an owner registry you could get at least a disguised email from someone claiming they own the card so its in real time versus a database that may not be updated.....i wouldnt buy a mantle from guy number 1 if there is a guy number 2 telling me he owns the card...that issue would have to be worked out first..

I hear ya. You have to look out for # 1 without stepping in the #2...That's quite the trick nowadays.

[Goudey77]

Nice card Chuck. Why don't you crack that bad boy out of the holder and give the big F U to the establishment (TPG).

[packs]

What bigger F U to the establishment would there be than to give away a treasure like that instead of reaping any benefits from the corporate fat cat's inflated market. I think perhaps I would be a natural choice for who to give it away to as I would never sell it.

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by Goudey77

Nice card Chuck. Why don't you crack that bad boy out of the holder and give the big F U to the establishment (TPG).

+1

SGC was shearing him like a baby lamb while he was waiting for his grades to POP!

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Goudey77

Nice card Chuck. Why don't you crack that bad boy out of the holder and give the big F U to the establishment (TPG).

I'd be lyin if I said the thought hadn't crossed my mind. I have never broken a plastic container and I don't want to start now.

Too many bad memories of ruining cards just trying to put them in a sleeve I can't imagine breaking the "slab". I know many crooks do it, but it's my belief that once a card is in that stupid container, it should just stay there.